[geocentrism] Re: rotation

  • From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "geocentrism list" <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:02:43 +1000

we can fix a satilite so that it looks at the NCP but freefloating such that 
any real rotation must manifest itself on that axis. ALLEN

Allen I know what you are wanting to do..I hope,  but we have been here in 
different ways previously. You need more. 

You then ended with 

"Remember, the background stars do not move wrt the NCP/axis or in a GU they 
rotate into the same exact position every 23h56m4s thus a net motion of 0 
around the NCP. " 

 But that is an assumption of heliocentrism.

You see we have to decide what is "free floating", as in the instant we look at 
it and set it up.   And nobody but a true bible believing Geocentric Christian 
knows how to do that.   But our assertion based upon faith is not acceptable to 
any scientist even the scientist in me. 

Some of us have great difficulty in comprehending that inertia of mass that is 
not in any kind of acceleration, due to any force is the same as felt, at zero 
motion, or a million miles per hour. The difference cannot be felt or sensed. 
(this is the essence of my Bernie discussion)

Next, lets suppose you have your fixed floating instant, and we want to observe 
the translation around the sun, yess  yess we may see what you expect...  and 
you will of course see it, because that is the correct scientific position...as 
observed.  Because the earth is not moving. 

But it isn't true...  Its an illusion. Exactly in the same manner, and for the 
same reason, as a geostationary satellite does not fall to earth... even though 
WE KNOW this object is stationary with the earth, un moving. 

Earth is unique. Its the true centre of the universe. (I wonder why. grin! )  
The Universe/aether revolves around us.  I mean if we wanted to put a geostat 
above Mars, hey! it would have to be called a "marstat" , all of the 
calculations of centripetal forces and velocities applied by convention to 
earth would have to be aplied on Mars. Their science as regard the math is not 
wrong, its just they do not accept the uniqueness of Earth, nor do they have 
reason to...Its just another planet.   A "marstat" would have be moving at the 
correct velocity according to Mars rotation, because Mars is not the unique 
earth, with respect to the aether. Mars is rotating in the aether, and is 
moving through it. The earth is not.. If and as it is not, then to maintain 
mathmatical appearances the aether has to be moving around the earth . 

My physics definition of inertia has been modified to include the words 
"relative" and "aether" ..  From Wiki: " The term "inertia" is more properly 
understood as a shorthand for "the principle of inertia" as described by Newton 
in Newton's First Law of Motion which, expressed simply, says: 

"An object that is not subject to any outside forces moves at a constant 
velocity, covering equal distances in equal times along a straight-line path." 

Now isn't that stupid?  Constant velocity in a straight line is "covering equal 
distances in equal times"   So lets correct that first.,and I get rid of the 
superflous word "path" as well.. This simplistic wording  is why I see the 
"devolution of man" not ascendency, as he sinks in intelligence and education 
toward the end. Todays scientist almost universally call a kilo metre  a kill 
ometer, and they believe the first year of the new millenium is 1000, 2000 etc. 
 Basic math, and yet the whole world of science was arrayed against me and a 
few other simple folk in the year 2000 fiasco ..  The aboriginal in Australia 
is like he is because he moved away from the centre of civilisation , God, and 
men closer to God. Today we europeans in America and Australia are going down 
the same path. We cannot speak more than one language, yet most europeans are 
multi-lingual.. Japan and China too.. so Eden must be central to them 
somewhere. 

Ok back to subject. 

"An object that is not subject to any outside forces moves at a constant 
velocity along a straight-line ." is what wiki meant Newton to say. 
and of course it is self evident "from and including zero velocity."

so I modfify 

"inertia of an object  is the resistance an object offers to movement 
"relative" to the "aether" . 

analogous to a boat moving against a stream. or the stream moving against the 
boat. Newton describes the effect of inertia, as a property of matter, but does 
not explain why this property exists. I tender my theory of why matter has this 
property. it is a reaction against the aether... what is the aether... ??  Now 
that is where science can get stared on the track of real scientific research. 

I'll pop in some ideas next week.  

Philip. 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Allen Daves 
  To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 4:05 AM
  Subject: [geocentrism] rotation


        First: this is how we create a box the will translate around the sun in 
earths supposed orbit
        Second: we can fix a satilite so that it looks at the NCP but 
freefloating such that any real rotation must manifest itself on that 
axis...Phil, this is absolutly true because, otherwise the Grav probe B 
experiment would have failed as well... only the box will translate with the 
earth since it is fixed to the earth via ground stations. However, the 
freefloating satilite is only fixed wrt the box on two of its axis..the third 
axis which runs along the NCP free floats ...it will not translate it must 
roatate if the earth and the box have any kind of orbit tanslation or not. This 
is true because there is nothing to "lock" the satilite in a translation around 
the sun, it free floats in the same way the spining part of a gyroscope would 
freefloats. Remember, the background stars do not move wrt the NCP/axis or in a 
GU they rotate into the same exact position every 23h56m4s thus a net motion of 
0 around the NCP. 





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                  From: Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx>
                  Subject: [geocentrism] David Icke audio - with hour 2
                  To: "Geocentrism/RealityReviewed" <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
                  Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 3:12 PM


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