Bernie B A few questions in teal inserted below. Proof of Heliocentric Incorrectness and Deception 1. If you get onto a helicopter on the east coast of the USA, lift off vertically and hover above the ground for four hours, then set down on the ground again, you will be in the same location that you lifted off from. If the Earth were rotating then the helicopter should have set down on the west coast of the USA. If the Earth is rotating, say 1000mph surface velocity, then the atmosphere and the helicopter which is in contact with it, would also be moving at 1000mph. What mechanism do you propose which would slow the helicopter to 0mph and successfully battle the 1000mph winds which it would encounter? (It would also have to accelerate back to 1000mph to land of course). Therefore the Earth is not rotating. 2. If the Earth were hurtling through space to orbit the sun at a velocity of 66,600 ( six,six,six ) miles per hour (107,182 (one, zero, seven, one, eight, two) kilometres per hour) then the Earth's atmosphere would be left behind like a comet's tail. Why would it be left behind? 3. On a clear, calm and sunny day we can go outside and see, feel and observe that it is the sun that is moving and orbiting the Earth and not the Earth orbiting the sun. One can see, feel and sense no movement of the Earth but one can see, feel and sense only stillness. This observation and experiment is scientific. A bit like the way you can see feel and sense no movement in a jet liner at 35,000ft altitude in still air and travelling at 600mph? 4. The heliocentric idea is primarily a game of deception so we must be aware of tricks that are likely to take place. They will lie and change the subject to information that they control and is unfalsifiable. For instance changing the subject and focusing the discussion on an object ( satellite ) that is 22,000 miles away. When we see people floating in space they will say that they are really falling towards (around) the Earth. They will say that the thrusters on "geosynchronous" satellites are only used for horizontal and not vertical positioning. How much fuel do you estimate would be needed to keep a 2500kg satellite from falling for a period of 10-12 years?[1] Most people who believe the truth of geocentrism are unaware and would not even consider the fact that others would deliberately put huge efforts into deceiving them. It is easy to fool people who are gullible and think others would never have an evil agenda and lie to them. I ask these questions in the knowledge that geocentrists have adequately explained these points to you recently, and thus I wonder at your persistance in these matters. Paul D [1] http://www.isro.org/gslv.htm Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com