[geocentrism] Re: Meat.
- From: "John Roodt" <johnroodt@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:07:57 +1100
Sorry, Phil
I don't understand how you can say: "We have to presume that Jesus did eat
fish.. even though the Bible does not say that He himself did."
What about Luke 24:40 (NIV). Here Jesus had already risen from the dead and
appeared to His disciples and you can read verses 40-43:
"When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. And while they
still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, 'Do
you have anything here to eat?' They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and
he took it and ate it in their presence."
?
John
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:42 PM, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Dear Neville.
>
> Its been on the backburner of my mind for a few weeks since we last
> mentioned eating meat. I realised my response then was rather insensitive,
> and I intended to clear the air on it more fully.
>
> As regards God and the church and the Bible, there is no injunction against
> using animals as food. We have to presume that Jesus did eat fish.. even
> though the Bible does not say that He himself did. See how I always get
> these ideas that show the "Bible only crowd", just how much they need to
> presume from text.
>
> However we cannot be sure.. Everything concerning Jesus in the bible
> points to his compliance with the old laws and regulations .. Therefore He
> must have eaten the lambs of the Pash.
>
> But however again, from reason of scripture, we know that this was not for
> pleasure or for sustenance , but as a sacrifice. Indeed people sensitive to
> animals feelings may very much have suffered sacrifice in participating.
> Cain couldn't and was exiled for his sensitivity. The pash was to prefigure
> the The True Lamb who was to be sacrificed. Jesus knew this fully, thus I
> can easily believe the commentator who said that He left the actual killing
> of the "last Pash" lambs to others.
>
> Ok, so yes I did say I love meat and Ham ... very appertising.. and
> pleasureable, providing I do not have to kill the animal, or participate in
> its processing. I cannot understand how any human being could be any
> different. That reminds me of another pleasure, with similar restrictions.
> SEX. Now from the Catholic perspective, and therefore I say Gods as well,
> sex is not for pleasure, but to help the primary reason God put man and
> woman together , the propagation of the species, and thus souls for God. ...
> Sex outside this commitment and for pleasure alone, is an abomination before
> God.
>
> From this , whilst I repeat we have no injunction on the matter of killing
> for food, and so long as it might be needed for survival, it would be
> essential, then it should be done, BUT NOT FOR PLEASURE.
>
> All of our natural instincts are against killing anything, without good
> reason. And food has never been an urgent reason in normal life. Every
> single protein is available in our vegetable kingdom.. The cows give us
> enough in milk.
>
> I say this truly, when I eat my mince meat rissoles in the meal my wife has
> prepared tonight, the pleasure I feel will be to me just as guilt ridden as
> though I was to have illicit sex.. But the pleasure overides everything,
> doesn't it?
>
> On this matter of the animals... Neville may I ask.. Do you spray the
> flies, ants and cockaroaches? Of course I am fanatical about keeping these
> from my house, and keep a can of spray in several places.
>
> But I'm convinced these little fullas are just as loving as a cow or a dog
> or a lion or a crocadile or a snake can be. I once had an up front
> confrontation on my desk with a little yellow spider no bigger than two
> pinheads. I can say with absolute certainty that he was aware of me and
> looked back up the magnifying glass at my eyes, as he fended off the tooth
> pick I was teasing him with.. I was so impressed, I let him go.. hoping I
> did not walk on him later, if he was silly enough to get down n the floor.
>
> Philip.
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