[geocentrism] Re: Meat.
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:44:03 +1000
You would also notice that after the flood/removal of the water mantle, when
Earth was then exposed to the full impact of solar radiation, that mans
lifespan dropped from 900 odd years to the present.
Pete Charlton
Peter I read a commentator say that it was being deprived of the fruit of the
tree of life, which sustained Adam, and caused this decline.. Vegetarians
claim it is the meat diet that caused it... but I prefer the former.. Notice
also verse 24 which tells us Paradise garden of Eden is still there, entry
being prohibited. It is thought by some that this is where Enoch and Elias
reside till they return to do battle against the antiC. Kept busy it is said,
teaching and growing the babies who are murdered/or died before reaching
maturity or the age of reason.
9 And the Lord God brought forth of the ground all manner of trees, fair to
behold, and pleasant to eat of: the tree of life also in the midst of paradise:
and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
22 And he said: Behold Adam is become as one of us, knowing good and evil: now,
therefore, lest perhaps he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of
life, and eat, and live for ever.
24 And he cast out Adam; and placed before the paradise of pleasure Cherubims,
and a flaming sword, turning every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: PETER CHARLTON
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:53 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Meat.
Maybe the changes to the Earth once the water mantle fell where so profound,
that vegetation alone would no longer provide enough nutrients?
You would also notice that after the flood/removal of the water mantle, when
Earth was then exposed to the full impact of solar radiation, that mans
lifespan dropped from 900 odd years to the present.
Pete Charlton
----- Original Message -----
From: philip madsen
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:04 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Meat.
In fact, if you read Genesis 9:3, God says to Noah: "Everything that lives
and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give
you everything".
Recall that in Genesis 1: 29,30 God made it clear that man would eat
seed-bearing plants and fruit and that the animals would only eat green plants.
John
Well there you go! I was sure Adam did not eat meat.. Which therefore
means eating meat is an attribute of FALLEN MAN . Can therefore it not be
ethically better to avoid it? But Jesus was not "fallen" but pure, so can his
reason for eating the fish be obscure, or as I say to convince us of His
humanity.
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: John Roodt
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:12 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Meat.
One more thing, Phil. You say: "there is no injunction against using
animals as food"
In fact, if you read Genesis 9:3, God says to Noah: "Everything that
lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I
now give you everything".
Recall that in Genesis 1: 29,30 God made it clear that man would eat
seed-bearing plants and fruit and that the animals would only eat green plants.
John
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:07 PM, John Roodt <johnroodt@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sorry, Phil
I don't understand how you can say: "We have to presume that Jesus did
eat fish.. even though the Bible does not say that He himself did."
What about Luke 24:40 (NIV). Here Jesus had already risen from the dead
and appeared to His disciples and you can read verses 40-43:
"When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. And while
they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, 'Do
you have anything here to eat?' They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he
took it and ate it in their presence."
?
John
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:42 PM, philip madsen
<pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Neville.
Its been on the backburner of my mind for a few weeks since we last
mentioned eating meat. I realised my response then was rather insensitive, and
I intended to clear the air on it more fully.
As regards God and the church and the Bible, there is no injunction
against using animals as food. We have to presume that Jesus did eat fish..
even though the Bible does not say that He himself did. See how I always get
these ideas that show the "Bible only crowd", just how much they need to
presume from text.
However we cannot be sure.. Everything concerning Jesus in the bible
points to his compliance with the old laws and regulations .. Therefore He must
have eaten the lambs of the Pash.
But however again, from reason of scripture, we know that this was
not for pleasure or for sustenance , but as a sacrifice. Indeed people
sensitive to animals feelings may very much have suffered sacrifice in
participating. Cain couldn't and was exiled for his sensitivity. The pash was
to prefigure the The True Lamb who was to be sacrificed. Jesus knew this fully,
thus I can easily believe the commentator who said that He left the actual
killing of the "last Pash" lambs to others.
Ok, so yes I did say I love meat and Ham ... very appertising.. and
pleasureable, providing I do not have to kill the animal, or participate in its
processing. I cannot understand how any human being could be any different.
That reminds me of another pleasure, with similar restrictions. SEX. Now from
the Catholic perspective, and therefore I say Gods as well, sex is not for
pleasure, but to help the primary reason God put man and woman together , the
propagation of the species, and thus souls for God. ... Sex outside this
commitment and for pleasure alone, is an abomination before God.
From this , whilst I repeat we have no injunction on the matter of
killing for food, and so long as it might be needed for survival, it would be
essential, then it should be done, BUT NOT FOR PLEASURE.
All of our natural instincts are against killing anything, without
good reason. And food has never been an urgent reason in normal life. Every
single protein is available in our vegetable kingdom.. The cows give us enough
in milk.
I say this truly, when I eat my mince meat rissoles in the meal my
wife has prepared tonight, the pleasure I feel will be to me just as guilt
ridden as though I was to have illicit sex.. But the pleasure overides
everything, doesn't it?
On this matter of the animals... Neville may I ask.. Do you spray
the flies, ants and cockaroaches? Of course I am fanatical about keeping these
from my house, and keep a can of spray in several places.
But I'm convinced these little fullas are just as loving as a cow or
a dog or a lion or a crocadile or a snake can be. I once had an up front
confrontation on my desk with a little yellow spider no bigger than two
pinheads. I can say with absolute certainty that he was aware of me and looked
back up the magnifying glass at my eyes, as he fended off the tooth pick I was
teasing him with.. I was so impressed, I let him go.. hoping I did not walk on
him later, if he was silly enough to get down n the floor.
Philip.
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