[geocentrism] Re: Meat.
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:04:37 +1000
In fact, if you read Genesis 9:3, God says to Noah: "Everything that lives and
moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you
everything".
Recall that in Genesis 1: 29,30 God made it clear that man would eat
seed-bearing plants and fruit and that the animals would only eat green plants.
John
Well there you go! I was sure Adam did not eat meat.. Which therefore means
eating meat is an attribute of FALLEN MAN . Can therefore it not be ethically
better to avoid it? But Jesus was not "fallen" but pure, so can his reason for
eating the fish be obscure, or as I say to convince us of His humanity.
Phil
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From: John Roodt
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:12 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Meat.
One more thing, Phil. You say: "there is no injunction against using animals
as food"
In fact, if you read Genesis 9:3, God says to Noah: "Everything that lives
and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give
you everything".
Recall that in Genesis 1: 29,30 God made it clear that man would eat
seed-bearing plants and fruit and that the animals would only eat green plants.
John
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:07 PM, John Roodt <johnroodt@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sorry, Phil
I don't understand how you can say: "We have to presume that Jesus did eat
fish.. even though the Bible does not say that He himself did."
What about Luke 24:40 (NIV). Here Jesus had already risen from the dead and
appeared to His disciples and you can read verses 40-43:
"When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. And while they
still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, 'Do you
have anything here to eat?' They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took
it and ate it in their presence."
?
John
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:42 PM, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dear Neville.
Its been on the backburner of my mind for a few weeks since we last
mentioned eating meat. I realised my response then was rather insensitive, and
I intended to clear the air on it more fully.
As regards God and the church and the Bible, there is no injunction
against using animals as food. We have to presume that Jesus did eat fish..
even though the Bible does not say that He himself did. See how I always get
these ideas that show the "Bible only crowd", just how much they need to
presume from text.
However we cannot be sure.. Everything concerning Jesus in the bible
points to his compliance with the old laws and regulations .. Therefore He must
have eaten the lambs of the Pash.
But however again, from reason of scripture, we know that this was not
for pleasure or for sustenance , but as a sacrifice. Indeed people sensitive to
animals feelings may very much have suffered sacrifice in participating. Cain
couldn't and was exiled for his sensitivity. The pash was to prefigure the The
True Lamb who was to be sacrificed. Jesus knew this fully, thus I can easily
believe the commentator who said that He left the actual killing of the "last
Pash" lambs to others.
Ok, so yes I did say I love meat and Ham ... very appertising.. and
pleasureable, providing I do not have to kill the animal, or participate in its
processing. I cannot understand how any human being could be any different.
That reminds me of another pleasure, with similar restrictions. SEX. Now from
the Catholic perspective, and therefore I say Gods as well, sex is not for
pleasure, but to help the primary reason God put man and woman together , the
propagation of the species, and thus souls for God. ... Sex outside this
commitment and for pleasure alone, is an abomination before God.
From this , whilst I repeat we have no injunction on the matter of
killing for food, and so long as it might be needed for survival, it would be
essential, then it should be done, BUT NOT FOR PLEASURE.
All of our natural instincts are against killing anything, without good
reason. And food has never been an urgent reason in normal life. Every single
protein is available in our vegetable kingdom.. The cows give us enough in
milk.
I say this truly, when I eat my mince meat rissoles in the meal my wife
has prepared tonight, the pleasure I feel will be to me just as guilt ridden as
though I was to have illicit sex.. But the pleasure overides everything,
doesn't it?
On this matter of the animals... Neville may I ask.. Do you spray the
flies, ants and cockaroaches? Of course I am fanatical about keeping these
from my house, and keep a can of spray in several places.
But I'm convinced these little fullas are just as loving as a cow or a
dog or a lion or a crocadile or a snake can be. I once had an up front
confrontation on my desk with a little yellow spider no bigger than two
pinheads. I can say with absolute certainty that he was aware of me and looked
back up the magnifying glass at my eyes, as he fended off the tooth pick I was
teasing him with.. I was so impressed, I let him go.. hoping I did not walk on
him later, if he was silly enough to get down n the floor.
Philip.
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