[geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:03:56 +1000
The Moon either stopped or it didn't, but the scriptures say not that it moved
backwards (as the Sun was moved backwards on another occasion), but that it
ceased moving. To a Catholic, this must be clear evidence that the universe is
geostationary.
Neville.
But is it? Leaving out the Catholic history and dogma on the issue, simply
because the truth has been hidden in controversey, and deceit, the confusion
still allows me in conscience to debate it from a contrary view.
Given as I have said in another post, that we do not have the original
language, and having to rely on English translations, and ancient English at
that, is it not possible that God stopped time just for these particular
people, giving the appearances of the heavens being stopped, just to these
people, without interfering with the overall universe elsewhere. I MEAN WHAT
WOULD ALL THE OTHER TRIBES OF THE WORLD GOING TO DO WITH THIS PROLONGED DAY? Is
it mentioned anywhere outside of Scripture?
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Neville Jones
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 7:03 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Marc,
No problem. I understand too the point you are making. It is a good point.
Philip was originally after a scientific response to the position he laid
before us, if I remember correctly, and I considered Joshua's long day to be
the strongest, simply because it cannot be "explained" via the usual HC "it's
all relative and equivalent" rhetoric.
The Moon either stopped or it didn't, but the scriptures say not that it
moved backwards (as the Sun was moved backwards on another occasion), but that
it ceased moving. To a Catholic, this must be clear evidence that the universe
is geostationary.
Neville.
-----Original Message-----
From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:38:21 -0400
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Dr Neville,
You are right, I wasn't accurate with the Moon's angular motion. The real
(average HC) angular motion for a 24 hrs period is: 13.1 degrees (360/655.72
hrs X 24 hrs). The real (average GC) angular motion for 24 hrs is 347 degrees.
I forgot my source for the estimate of 12 hrs extension of daylight. I also
misphrased the point I wanted to demonstrate:
Josuah needed more time of daylight; He was inspired by God to stop the
Moon. So why stop the Moon also ??? Stopping the Sun only would be sufficient
in GC. In HC it makes even less sense since the Moon hardly moves compare to
in GC.
Hope you can understand my point,
Marc
----- Original Message -----
From: Neville Jones
Sent: 27 juillet 2007 19:53
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Marc,
My response in red:
-----Original Message-----
From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:34:30 -0400
In the heliocentric scenario, the Moon moves eastward around 9 degrees
daily (but we observe a westward motion of around 351 degrees daily); so (in
the HC scenario) if the Earth would stop moving (rotating and revolving) the
Moon would still moves only around 9 degrees daily; so this motion would not be
very significant since it would be an angular motion of 4½ degrees for a period
of 12 hours.
The Moon goes around in ~ 24h 50m, which means that the World needs 50
mins more than one rotation to lap the Moon in the GC system. The Moon is thus
doing ~ 50/60 * 15 degs = 12.5 degs/day, not 9.
Secondly, I do not know why you limit this claimed miracle to half a
day, but even at that, the Moon would go through 6.25 degs, or 12.5 times its
own diameter, and in the opposite direction to normal.
It would quite simply reverse its direction and, for even half a day,
that is very significant.
Neville.
Since Josue needed an extension of daylight in order to destroy the
ennemies of the Israelites, the real question we should ask is : why stop the
Moon also?? Stopping the Sun only should be enough!!
It seems that a possible reason was not disrupt the natural cycle of
the team Sun/Moon (but this reason only applies to a geocentric universe
because in an heliocentric universe the team Earth/Moon can't claim to be so
important!
Marc V.
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