[geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
- From: "philip madsen" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:13:48 +1000
Jack you are not reading my post.. I specifically said that at Fatima the sun
appeared normal to the whole world.. excepting that at Fatima and a fifty mile
or so radius did the phenomen appear. I said it was not anywhere as world
shattering as Joshua's day. It was an entirely local event. Yet even so, the
power involved equal maybe, to several nuclear explosions makes it truely a
great prodigy. and supernatural, because how can anyone boil inches of water
off several thousand square miles of ground in 3 minutes or so, without burning
or hurting a single person. ? Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Lewis
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 7:47 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Was the Fatima miracle observed on a world-wide basis in the same way as is
shown by Geradus' Bouws data of Joshua's long day etc.?
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To: Geocentric
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 4:36 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Philip M wrote: « I MEAN WHAT WOULD ALL THE OTHER TRIBES OF THE WORLD GOING
TO DO WITH THIS PROLONGED DAY? Is it mentioned anywhere outside of Scripture?»
Fernand Crombette (see CESHE) translated old writings (with his own method
or technical approach) that confirmed that the prolonged day was observe in
regions far from the land of Canaan (today Israel). So it isn't probable that
it was the same as the Fatima miracle.
But it is possible that by stopping the Sun and the Moon (in GC scenario),
everything else (planets, stars, meteors, etc...) stopped also. In HC
scenario, stopping the Earth would not stop the Moon or anything else. In HC
scenario, the stopping of the Moon simply doesn't make any sense!
Marc V.
----- Original Message -----
From: philip madsen
Sent: 29 juillet 2007 18:08
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
The Moon either stopped or it didn't, but the scriptures say not that it
moved backwards (as the Sun was moved backwards on another occasion), but that
it ceased moving. To a Catholic, this must be clear evidence that the universe
is geostationary.
Neville.
But is it? Leaving out the Catholic history and dogma on the issue,
simply because the truth has been hidden in controversey, and deceit, the
confusion still allows me in conscience to debate it from a contrary view.
Given as I have said in another post, that we do not have the original
language, and having to rely on English translations, and ancient English at
that, is it not possible that God stopped time just for these particular
people, giving the appearances of the heavens being stopped, just to these
people, without interfering with the overall universe elsewhere. I MEAN WHAT
WOULD ALL THE OTHER TRIBES OF THE WORLD GOING TO DO WITH THIS PROLONGED DAY? Is
it mentioned anywhere outside of Scripture?
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Neville Jones
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 7:03 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Marc,
No problem. I understand too the point you are making. It is a good
point.
Philip was originally after a scientific response to the position he
laid before us, if I remember correctly, and I considered Joshua's long day to
be the strongest, simply because it cannot be "explained" via the usual HC
"it's all relative and equivalent" rhetoric.
The Moon either stopped or it didn't, but the scriptures say not that
it moved backwards (as the Sun was moved backwards on another occasion), but
that it ceased moving. To a Catholic, this must be clear evidence that the
universe is geostationary.
Neville.
-----Original Message-----
From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:38:21 -0400
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Dr Neville,
You are right, I wasn't accurate with the Moon's angular motion. The
real (average HC) angular motion for a 24 hrs period is: 13.1 degrees
(360/655.72 hrs X 24 hrs). The real (average GC) angular motion for 24 hrs is
347 degrees. I forgot my source for the estimate of 12 hrs extension of
daylight. I also misphrased the point I wanted to demonstrate:
Josuah needed more time of daylight; He was inspired by God to stop
the Moon. So why stop the Moon also ??? Stopping the Sun only would be
sufficient in GC. In HC it makes even less sense since the Moon hardly moves
compare to in GC.
Hope you can understand my point,
Marc
----- Original Message -----
From: Neville Jones
Sent: 27 juillet 2007 19:53
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An off subject subject.
Marc,
My response in red:
-----Original Message-----
From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:34:30 -0400
In the heliocentric scenario, the Moon moves eastward around 9
degrees daily (but we observe a westward motion of around 351 degrees daily);
so (in the HC scenario) if the Earth would stop moving (rotating and revolving)
the Moon would still moves only around 9 degrees daily; so this motion would
not be very significant since it would be an angular motion of 4½ degrees for a
period of 12 hours.
The Moon goes around in ~ 24h 50m, which means that the World
needs 50 mins more than one rotation to lap the Moon in the GC system. The Moon
is thus doing ~ 50/60 * 15 degs = 12.5 degs/day, not 9.
Secondly, I do not know why you limit this claimed miracle to
half a day, but even at that, the Moon would go through 6.25 degs, or 12.5
times its own diameter, and in the opposite direction to normal.
It would quite simply reverse its direction and, for even half a
day, that is very significant.
Neville.
Since Josue needed an extension of daylight in order to destroy
the ennemies of the Israelites, the real question we should ask is : why stop
the Moon also?? Stopping the Sun only should be enough!!
It seems that a possible reason was not disrupt the natural cycle
of the team Sun/Moon (but this reason only applies to a geocentric universe
because in an heliocentric universe the team Earth/Moon can't claim to be so
important!
Marc V.
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