[geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs
- From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:09:43 +0000 (GMT)
Allen D
From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, 31 March, 2008 5:35:06 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs
"The fairies are in my garden ...you just can’t see or detect them"...
Spurious.
Paul, as Regner said ""Science is not the knowledge - it's the
method."...........Now how do you demonstrate not merely assert your positions
& with acceleration?...I'm the one who made the assertion of detectable
acceleration in all cases...I then demonstrated and cited experiments that
in-fact show my conclusions to be the case.
You asserted but I'm unaware of any demonstration or citations. (Could have
been lost in the verbiage of course).
if thoes conclusions are to simplisitc because they use WYSIWYG then the
burden of proof is on you to show that they are in fact not just imagined to be
somthing other then WYSIWYG.
Standard Allen Daves defensive response.
You have yet to do that excet top say "well it could be"
I have never said of anything -- "well it could be".
....Further, I demonstrated that all your attempts at alternative explanations
are nothing more then exercise in circular falicy invoking the very thing in
question as proof of itself as well as total contradictions of terms and
concepts.
Standard Allen Daves defensive response.
The burden of proof is on you not me...
Standard Allen Daves defensive response.
so where & how you think 'green' and 'red' comes in to any of this is completly
beyond me?....
Read the Proposition again (or perhaps read it for the first time?)
I don’t have to show anything more then what I have already asserted and
demonstrated.
You've done a lot of asserting but no demonstrating.
You however, have as of yet demonstrated nothing!...........Invoking relativity
as your position is utterly ridiculous
I don't understand most of relativity. I'd hardly make it my position.
..why?... because relativity is your position Paul..
I don't understand most of relativity. I'd hardly make it my position.
wake up!?
Some of us are getting pretty tired of your paternalistic, patronising and
arrogant outbursts.
Neither can you cannot separate the HC/AC assertion from relativity and quoting
relativity does not prove or even demonstrate relativity or HC/ AC or anything
for matter!?
Third time. See above.
Your "scientific method" is ntohing more then a circular falicy,
Second time. See above.
otherwise demonstrate first then make assertions....not as you do..........
assert first and then claim as you do, It is thus shown!?
Huh?
For the third time. As you've not just admitted but loudly proclaimed that an
accelerometer can and does register its own acceleration due to gravity, a
position I have been challenging for some weeks without relevant response from
you, I ask you again to address this proposition -
Proposition -- an accelerometer can be used to show increasing and decreasing
velocity -- acceleration -- of a body in elliptical orbit about its primary.
Setting -- the Universe consists of our Solar System's star (Sol) and a
space-worthy vehicle (the vehicle) in an elliptical orbit of semi major axis
150 * 10^9 m
The space-worthy vehicle consists of a 1 kg sphere of lead equipped with an
accelerometer and painted red.
Accelerometer -- two types -
Type One consists of a reference mass suspended by a spring or springs, the
extension and/or compression of which are an analogue of any acceleration
experienced.
Type Two consists of a reference mass external to the vehicle and having a
start velocity identical with that of the vehicle. The distance between the
vehicle and the reference mass, and the elapsed time, is measured on board the
vehicle for the purpose of calculating acceleration.
We will use the Type Two accelerometer which consists of a 1 kg sphere of lead
painted green.
At apogee (t = 0) with a distance of 100 m separating the vehicle and the
reference mass (the red and green spheres respectively) we begin the inward
half of the orbit translation.
Task -- explain, demonstrate, calculate or in some other manner show, at
perigee, whether the red sphere has gained upon, lost to, or maintained
position relative to, the green sphere.
No beating about the bush Allen. In the vernacular Allen -- put up or shut up
Allen.
Paul D
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