[geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 07:31:45 +1000
Allen! My experiment was not a thought experiment game but a real mechanical
question.. so I'll try enother highschool one..
If I drop a feather and a lead ball ten times the weight from a height, down an
inclosed vacuum tube, at exactly the same time, which will hit the bottom
first?
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Deema
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 12:35 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs
Philip M (and any others interested).
It might have been interesting but in the face of such sophistry any further
effort would just be wasted effort.
Paul D
----- Original Message ----
From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, 4 April, 2008 3:24:26 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs
Guys we are not descusing nor can we experinace/demonstrate a universe with
one sun and one earth in it!?.....You simply cannot creat in your heads some
imaginary universe with only two bodies in it and extropolate the physics of
the curent real universe neither did Newton or Einstine base their conclusions
on such absurdities....The conclusions of their theories and even in their
thought experiments was based on all the bodies interacting with each
other................without absolut knowledge of what gravity is in the first
place your disscusion realy will be nothing more then a "game" not any
meaningfull discussion on inertia or detectable accelerations......... MS does
not claim the physics of the universe to work on a two body system!.......Thus,
it is not even remotley posible to mimic the real universe except in the
imaginations of your heads and even at that assuming gravity is what you think
it is in the first place!? I not interested in pursuing that kind of "game".
Start with what you have not with what you do not have..We have observations
that show not imagine that what you suppose is not true from the get go!..Why
persue a conclusion we already know to be false?!.....If it were true that you
could not detect accelertions in a free fall around in a grav feild then simply
the tides cold not exist as per MS.....Guys I'm not interested in pursuing your
thought experiments that are based on false assumptions. You dont see your
whole problem is you are so indocrinated with your idea of gravity that is
actualy not even correct in MS but you insist on it so much that you refuse to
see that your "games" are not based on any reality they are based on your lack
of understanding of MS......???
----- Original Message ----
From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 4, 2008 12:05:38 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs
Yeah...Wwork from a basic setup .. Nothing in the universe but a stationary
sun and a planet orbiting around it at a great speed.. There is no need to
bring in the butterfly principle that fluttering wings in Adelaide makes it
rain in New York.
Even Allen must accept, geocentrism or not, that we can lay down ground rules
for our lab in space experiment.. Another sun another planet all alone in the
void.
OK now I am all the way with PD that no accelerometer on that planet no
matter how sensitive, will detect the acceleration of that planet as it
circles that sun at a constant velocity in a perfectly circular orbit.. .
That will do for starters so as not to complicate the maths with elliptical
variables and barycentres..
After that when Allen finds that we is true, we can bring in other variables
due to elliptical orbits where the velocity varies, so that we will have two
different accelerations, created by the same force.. and why again the
accelerometer shows nothing..
Of course it doesn't on my kitchen table, but Allen cops out on that one
because the table aint moving. Its geocentrism see.. But the guys in or on the
space station will not feel anything on their table either.. Let the game
begin//
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Deema
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:37 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs
Allen D
What I've always wanted to discuss but from a seeming auspicious beginning
starting at (Item 2, second paragraph, beginning "However, I will go this
far.....").
"New game" in this context means "Put aside all previous baggage and make a
fresh start concentrating exclusively on the accelerometer, the elliptical
orbit and the Sun".
At the outset, I acknowledge that every atom in the universe influences
every other atom in the universe but take the view that it is not necessary to
go to this level in order to gain an understanding of the basic mechanisms
involved.
Paul D
----- Original Message ----
From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, 3 April, 2008 7:59:37 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs
"New game. Are you interested in detachedly discussing accelerometers?"
What would you like to discuss?
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