Phil, 1. How does a ball and feather drop prove gravitational theory and demonstrate that with planitary mechanics ....??? 2.Even MS openly admits the inverse square law breaks down and is not absolute....??? 3. The fact that it breaks down so much so that they have to create 90% of their universal modle built with "dark matter" and "dark energy" that is only knowable by vertue of the fact that their model would not work without it....!? 4. We are not discussing a ball and a feather we are discusing how gravity works not just on the small scale but large scale with planets and suns ect.....All bodies and a universe all interacting at once with eachother...... ----- Original Message ---- From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2008 2:31:45 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs Allen! My experiment was not a thought experiment game but a real mechanical question.. so I'll try enother highschool one.. If I drop a feather and a lead ball ten times the weight from a height, down an inclosed vacuum tube, at exactly the same time, which will hit the bottom first? Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Deema To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 12:35 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs Philip M (and any others interested). It might have been interesting but in the face of such sophistry any further effort would just be wasted effort. Paul D ----- Original Message ---- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, 4 April, 2008 3:24:26 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs Guys we are not descusing nor can we experinace/demonstrate a universe with one sun and one earth in it!?.....You simply cannot creat in your heads some imaginary universe with only two bodies in it and extropolate the physics of the curent real universe neither did Newton or Einstine base their conclusions on such absurdities....The conclusions of their theories and even in their thought experiments was based on all the bodies interacting with each other................without absolut knowledge of what gravity is in the first place your disscusion realy will be nothing more then a "game" not any meaningfull discussion on inertia or detectable accelerations......... MS does not claim the physics of the universe to work on a two body system!.......Thus, it is not even remotley posible to mimic the real universe except in the imaginations of your heads and even at that assuming gravity is what you think it is in the first place!? I not interested in pursuing that kind of "game". Start with what you have not with what you do not have..We have observations that show not imagine that what you suppose is not true from the get go!..Why persue a conclusion we already know to be false?!.....If it were true that you could not detect accelertions in a free fall around in a grav feild then simply the tides cold not exist as per MS.....Guys I'm not interested in pursuing your thought experiments that are based on false assumptions. You dont see your whole problem is you are so indocrinated with your idea of gravity that is actualy not even correct in MS but you insist on it so much that you refuse to see that your "games" are not based on any reality they are based on your lack of understanding of MS......??? ----- Original Message ---- From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, April 4, 2008 12:05:38 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs Yeah...Wwork from a basic setup .. Nothing in the universe but a stationary sun and a planet orbiting around it at a great speed.. There is no need to bring in the butterfly principle that fluttering wings in Adelaide makes it rain in New York. Even Allen must accept, geocentrism or not, that we can lay down ground rules for our lab in space experiment.. Another sun another planet all alone in the void. OK now I am all the way with PD that no accelerometer on that planet no matter how sensitive, will detect the acceleration of that planet as it circles that sun at a constant velocity in a perfectly circular orbit.. . That will do for starters so as not to complicate the maths with elliptical variables and barycentres.. After that when Allen finds that we is true, we can bring in other variables due to elliptical orbits where the velocity varies, so that we will have two different accelerations, created by the same force.. and why again the accelerometer shows nothing.. Of course it doesn't on my kitchen table, but Allen cops out on that one because the table aint moving. Its geocentrism see.. But the guys in or on the space station will not feel anything on their table either.. Let the game begin// Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Deema To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs Allen D What I've always wanted to discuss but from a seeming auspicious beginning starting at (Item 2, second paragraph, beginning "However, I will go this far....."). "New game" in this context means "Put aside all previous baggage and make a fresh start concentrating exclusively on the accelerometer, the elliptical orbit and the Sun". At the outset, I acknowledge that every atom in the universe influences every other atom in the universe but take the view that it is not necessary to go to this level in order to gain an understanding of the basic mechanisms involved. Paul D ----- Original Message ---- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, 3 April, 2008 7:59:37 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs "New game. 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