[geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:28:13 +1000
send it again allen
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 1:50 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs
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Then you should have no problem logicaly demonstrating (not merrly assertin=
g) how and why your case is more logical then mine.............I know I hav=
e been waiting for that little demonstration.... :-)=0A=0A=0A----- Origina=
l Message ----=0AFrom: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx>=0ATo: geocentris=
m@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=0ASent: Saturday, April 5, 2008 7:27:59 AM=0ASubject: [geoc=
entrism] Re: Acceleration calcs=0A=0A=0AAllen D=0AI hoped against hope, but=
in the back of my mind I knew it was pointless. You just don't have the bo=
ttle for it.=0APaul D=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Allen =
Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>=0ATo: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=0ASent: F=
riday, 4 April, 2008 3:24:26 PM=0ASubject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration c=
alcs=0A=0A=0AGuys we are not descusing nor can we experinace/demonstrate a =
universe with one sun and one earth in it!?.....You simply cannot creat in =
your heads some imaginary universe with only two bodies in it and extropola=
te the physics of the curent real universe neither did Newton or Einstine b=
ase their conclusions on such absurdities....The conclusions of their theor=
ies and even in their thought experiments was based on all the bodies inter=
acting with each other................without absolut knowledge of what gra=
vity is in the first place your disscusion realy will be nothing more then =
a "game" not any meaningfull discussion on inertia or detectable accelerati=
ons......... MS does not claim the physics of the universe to work on a two=
body system!.......Thus, it is not even remotley posible to mimic the real=
universe except in the imaginations of your heads and even at that assumi=
ng gravity is what you think it is in the first place!? I not interested =
in
pursuing that kind of "game". Start with what you have not with what you d=
o not have..We have observations that show not imagine that what you suppos=
e is not true from the get go!..Why persue a conclusion we already know to =
be false?!.....If it were true that you could not detect accelertions in a =
free fall around in a grav feild then simply the tides cold not exist as pe=
r MS.....Guys I'm not interested in pursuing your thought experiments that =
are based on false assumptions. You dont see your whole problem is you are=
so indocrinated with your idea of gravity that is actualy not even correc=
t in MS but you insist on it so much that you refuse to see that your "game=
s" are not based on any reality they are based on your lack of understandin=
g of MS......???=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: philip mads=
en <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>=0ATo: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=0ASent: Friday=
, April 4, 2008 12:05:38 AM=0ASubject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs=
=0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0AYeah...Wwork from a basic setup .. Nothing in the univer=
se but a stationary sun and a planet orbiting around it at a great speed.. =
There is no need to bring in the butterfly principle that fluttering wings=
in Adelaide makes it rain in New York. =0A =0AEven Allen must accept, geoc=
entrism or not, that we can lay down ground rules for our lab in space expe=
riment.. Another sun another planet all alone in the void. =0A =0AOK now =
I am all the way with PD that no accelerometer on that planet no matter how=
sensitive, will detect the acceleration of that planet as it circles that=
sun at a constant velocity in a perfectly circular orbit.. . =0A =0AThat=
will do for starters so as not to complicate the maths with elliptical var=
iables and barycentres.. =0A =0AAfter that when Allen finds that we is tru=
e, we can bring in other variables due to elliptical orbits where the veloc=
ity varies, so that we will have two different accelerations, created by th=
e same force.. and why again the accelerometer shows nothing.. =0A =0AOf c=
ourse it doesn't on my kitchen table, but Allen cops out on that one becaus=
e the table aint moving. Its geocentrism see.. But the guys in or on the sp=
ace station will not feel anything on their table either.. Let the game=
begin// =0A =0APhilip. =0A =0A =0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom=
: Paul Deema =0ATo: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx =0ASent: Friday, April 04, 20=
08 4:37 PM=0ASubject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs=0A=0A=0AAllen D=
=0AWhat I've always wanted to discuss but from a seeming auspicious beginni=
ng starting at (Item 2, second paragraph, beginning "However, I will go thi=
s far.....").=0A"New game" in this context means "Put aside all previous ba=
ggage and make a fresh start concentrating exclusively on the accelerometer=
, the elliptical orbit and the Sun".=0AAt the outset, I acknowledge that ev=
ery atom in the universe influences every other atom in the universe but ta=
ke the view that it is not necessary to go to this level in order to gain a=
n understanding of the basic mechanisms involved.=0APaul D=0A=0A=0A=0A-----=
Original Message ----=0AFrom: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>=0ATo=
: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=0ASent: Thursday, 3 April, 2008 7:59:37 PM=0ASu=
bject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs=0A=0A=0A =0A"New game. Are you =
interested in detachedly discussing accelerometers?"=0A =0AWhat would you l=
ike to discuss? =0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0AGet the name you always wanted wit=
h the new y7mail email address. =0ANo virus found in this incoming message.=
=0AChecked by AVG. =0AVersion: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1358 - Re=
lease Date: 3/04/2008 6:36 PM=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AGet the name you always w=
anted with the new y7mail email address.
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font-size:8pt"><DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, =
new york, times, serif"><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D4>Then you should have=
no problem logicaly demonstrating <EM>(not merrly asserting)</EM> how and =
why your case is more logical then mine.............I know I have been=
waiting for that little demonstration.... :-)</FONT><BR><BR>=0A=
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, time=
s, serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@ya=
hoo.co.uk><BR>To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Sent: Saturday, April 5, =
2008 7:27:59 AM<BR>Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs<BR><BR>=0A=
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">=
=0A<P>Allen D</P>=0A<P>I hoped against hope, but in the back of my mind I k=
new it was pointless. You just don't have the bottle for it.</P>=0A<P><FONT=
face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Paul D</FONT></P>=0A<DIV style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><BR><BR>=0A<DIV s=
tyle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, ser=
if">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: Allen Daves <allendaves@allenda=
ves.com><BR>To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Sent: Friday, 4 April, 2008=
3:24:26 PM<BR>Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs<BR><BR>=0A<DIV=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, s=
erif">=0A<P>Guys we are not descusing nor can we experinace/demonstrate a u=
niverse with one sun and one earth in it!?.....You simply cannot creat in y=
our heads some imaginary universe with only two bodies in it and extro=
polate the physics of the curent real universe neither did Newton or Einsti=
ne base their conclusions on such absurdities....The conclusions of th=
eir theories and even in their thought experiments was based on a=
ll the bodies interacting with each other................without absol=
ut knowledge of what gravity is in the first place your disscusion realy&nb=
sp;will be nothing more then a "game" not any meaningfull discussion o=
n inertia or detectable accelerations......... MS does not claim&=
nbsp;the physics of the universe to work on a two body system!.......Thus,&=
nbsp;it is not even remotley posible to mimic the real universe except in t=
he imaginations of your heads and even at that assuming gravity
is what you think it is in the first place!? I not interested i=
n pursuing that kind of "game". Start with what you have not with what=
you do not have..We have observations that show not imagine that what you =
suppose is not true from the get go!..Why persue a conclusion we already kn=
ow to be false?!.....If it were true that you could not detect accelertions=
in a free fall around in a grav feild then simply the tides cold not exist=
as per MS.....Guys I'm not interested in pursuing your thought experiments=
that are based on false assumptions. You dont see your whole problem=
is you are so indocrinated with your idea of gravity that is ac=
tualy not even correct in MS but you insist on it so much that you ref=
use to see that your "games" are not based on any reality they are bas=
ed on your lack of understanding of MS......???</P>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"><BR><BR>=0A=
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, time=
s, serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: philip madsen <pma15027@b=
igpond.net.au><BR>To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Sent: Friday, April 4=
, 2008 12:05:38 AM<BR>Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs<BR><BR>=
=EF=BB=BF =0A<STYLE type=3Dtext/css>DIV {=0AMARGIN:0px;}=0A</STYLE>=0A=0A<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial>Yeah...Wwork from a basic setup .. Nothing in th=
e universe but a stationary sun and a planet orbiting around it at a great =
speed.. <FONT color=3D#800000>There is no need to bring in the butter=
fly principle that fluttering wings in Adelaide makes it rain in New York. =
</FONT></FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>=0A<DIV><=
FONT face=3DArial>Even Allen must accept, geocentrism or not, that we can l=
ay down ground rules for our lab in space experiment.. Another sun an=
other planet all alone in the void. </FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=
></FONT> </DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>OK now I am all the wa=
y with PD that no accelerometer on that planet no matter how sensitive, &nb=
sp;will detect the acceleration of that planet as it circles that sun at a =
constant velocity in a perfectly circular orbit.. . </FONT></DI=
V>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>=
That will do for starters so as not to complicate the maths with elliptical=
variables and barycentres.. </FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DA=
rial></FONT> </DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>After that when Allen fi=
nds that we is true, we can bring in other variables due to elliptical orbi=
ts where the velocity varies, so that we will have two different accel=
erations, created by the same force.. and why again the accelerometer =
shows nothing.. </FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV> </DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial>Of course it doesn't on my kitchen table, but Allen cops out on th=
at one because the table aint moving. Its geocentrism see.. But the gu=
ys in or on the space station will not feel anything on their ta=
ble either.. Let the game begin// </FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV>&n=
bsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Philip. </FONT>  =
;</DIV>=0A<DIV> </DIV>=0A<DIV> </DIV>=0A<DIV>----- Original Messa=
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<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=
=3Dpaul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx href=3D"mailto:paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx"; target=3D_=
blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx";>Paul Deema</=
A> </DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dgeocentri=
sm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx href=3D"mailto:geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; target=3D_blank =
rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>geocentrism@fre=
elists.org</A> </DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday=
, April 04, 2008 4:37 PM</DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject=
:</B> [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs</DIV>=0A<DIV><BR></DIV>=0A<DIV s=
tyle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">=0A<DIV=
></DIV>=0A<DIV>Allen D<BR>What I've always wanted to discuss but from a see=
ming auspicious beginning starting at (Item 2, second paragraph, beginning =
<FONT color=3D#0000ff>"However, I will go this far....."</FONT>).</DIV>=0A<=
DIV>"New game" in this context means "Put aside all previous baggage and ma=
ke a fresh start concentrating exclusively on the accelerometer, the ellipt=
ical orbit and the Sun".</DIV>=0A<DIV>At the outset, I acknowledge that eve=
ry atom in the universe influences every other atom in the universe but tak=
e the view that it is not necessary to go to this level in order to gain an=
understanding of the basic mechanisms involved.</DIV>=0A<P><FONT face=3D"a=
rial, helvetica, sans-serif">Paul D</FONT></P>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><BR><BR>=0A<DIV style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">----- =
Original Message ----<BR>From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>=
;<BR>To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Sent: Thursday, 3 April, 2008 7:59:37=
PM<BR>Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Acceleration calcs<BR><BR>=0A<DIV style=
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ork, times, serif"> </DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMIL=
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