[GeoStL] Re: National Forest also needs to be clairified-the 3 finders did not bookmark a cache in a NF-RE: Re: Island cache!
- From: "Jim Bensman" <junkmailno@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:18:34 -0600
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Just want to clarify that I do not think anyone was trying to pull a fast
one on the challenge. What the finders did is a very common mistake. When
you talk to people about National Forests, you find most people see what
most maps show and think it is all government owned and protected. Neither
is the case. In fact, many people think they are National Parks.
Another complicating factor is National Forests can acquire a percentage of
land outside the purchase boundary. I am not aware of any in the Mark Twain
NF, but Shawnee has been purchasing land in the Mississippi floodplain
outside the purchase boundary. So if you go by the purchase boundary (which
if you do, the rules would need to be changed), not all the National Forest
is in the purchase boundary. And there is not much of a challenge to find a
cache in the purchase boundary-there are hundreds of caches in cities in the
purchase boundaries. Finding one actually in a National Forest is much more
of a challenge.
Besides my maps (which are the easiest way to determine if it is in a NF)
and the 24K Quads with the NF marked, you can download Forest Plan maps that
have the NF marked. You can also purchase paper maps at Forest Service
offices with the correct boundaries (Shawnee has one for the entire Forest
and the Mark Twain has the maps by Ranger District). So there are many ways
to determine if a cache is in a NF. You just cannot rely on sources like
Google Maps.
Jim Bensman
"Nature Bats Last"
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 11:30 AM
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> Subject: [GeoStL] National Forest also needs to be clairified-the 3
> finders did not bookmark a cache in a NF-RE: Re: Island cache!
>
> -
> I noticed none of the 3 who have logged they completed the challenge
> met the
> requirement to bookmark a find for a cache in a National Forest. All 3
> bookmarks were in the purchase boundary-but none were actually in the
> National Forest. Most maps show the purchase boundary. The purchase
> boundary is the area Congress has authorized the Forest Service to
> acquire
> land. Only about 1/3 of the land in the purchase boundary is actually
> the
> National Forest. Many cities are in the purchase boundary. If the
> caches
> used so far are acceptable, any cache in the purchase boundary would
> have to
> be accepted. So I think you should clarify if the cache actually has
> to be
> in a National Forest. If not, you should change the requirement to the
> purchase boundary.
>
> There are two sources (both created by me with data from the Forest
> Service)
> that show where Shawnee National Forest and Mark Twain National Forest
> actually is. My Google Landownershp map:
> http://www.gpsfiledepot.com/maps/view/257/ My Garmin Landownership map:
> http://www.gpsfiledepot.com/maps/view/180/ Both will allow you to
> easily
> determine if the cache is in a National Forest. You can also download
> 24K
> Quads with the National Forest identified on it. But my maps are much
> easier.
>
> Maybe the 3 who have logged a find for the challenge have found one
> that
> actually is in a National Forest, but the ones they used on their
> bookmark
> list are not in a National Forest.
>
>
>
> Jim Bensman
> "Nature Bats Last"
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Barnes
> > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 9:44 AM
> > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Island cache!
> >
> > -
> > Thanks for the opportunity to clarify this item. I originally
> intended
> > to use Google Maps to define an island. But I found that many islands
> > that can legitimately be considered an island such as Howell Island,
> > show as connected to the main land on Google. So, as stated in my
> > note on the cache page on Nov. 14, I will consider Google Maps but
> > will also include anything listed in the USGS Geographic Names
> > Information Systems (GNIS). GNIS can be found at
> > http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic and selecting island in the
> > feature class. In the GNIS, Skinny Island is listed and therefore
> > caches there will be accepted as island caches. The cache mentioned
> > at the start of this thread in Macon County shows as an island in
> > Google Maps so it is OK too. There are no islands listed in the GNIS
> > in Macon County but as long as it shows on Google, it is OK.
> >
> > One other comment, if you were to get GCJ9A1 on an island in Macon
> > County, it would also count as Macon County, so no need to get
> > another. But if you already have an island cache and just need to
> add
> > Macon County to your list, it sounds like there are plenty waiting to
> > be found up there. But GCJ9A1sounds like fun anyway on a cold
> winter's
> > day, so go for it and visit some SLAGA territory!
> >
> > Roger
> >
> >
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