[GeoStL] Re: National Forest also needs to be clairified-the 3 finders did not bookmark a cache in a NF-RE: Re: Island cache!
- From: lane634@xxxxxxxxx
- To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:57:21 +0000
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Wow! Don't hold back your feelings on Puzzle Caches.
Do what I do, skip them.
Phil
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Jim Bensman" <junkmailno@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:53:48
To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: National Forest also needs to be clairified-the 3
finders did not bookmark a cache in a NF-RE: Re: Island cache!
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My turn to rant :)
IMHO, in the last couple of years puzzle caches got out of control. I think
they should be banned. Or at least ones that have nothing to do with
Geocaching or navigation. They banned additional logging requirements
because they were getting out of control, did the same with locationless
caches after the yellow jeep, and virtual caches were eliminated and
converted to waypointing. IMHO, Geocaching should still be about finding
something with your GPS (or at least related to navigation). That is what
Geocaching was started for-it was not about spending hours at your computer
trying to solve a puzzle. I do not think you should have to spend
hours/days/or weeks behind your computer before finding a cache. It should
be about getting OUTSIDE! Yesterday I found two puzzle caches that took me
about 15 minutes to solve. They were about the history of Geocaching and
treated me to a nice walk on a new trail. I don't mind something like that
and if most puzzles were like that, I would not support banning them. If
people want to show their puzzle skills, they can join a puzzle club or how
about starting puzzlecaching? Or at least have the puzzle cache provide a
way to find the cache outdoors (have another container with the answer you
have to find). I favor keeping Geocaching what it was started for. What
does solving a puzzle have to do with "geo" or "caching?" I also wish there
was a way to filter out the puzzle caches. Since there are more than
puzzles under the ?, there is no way to filter them out.
I think Geocaching was much better in the early days-you had mostly high
quality caches, neat spots or a nice walk, no puzzles, no play grounds, no
throw away series, no LPCs, no guard rails, etc. There was also numbers
competition back then. I had more enjoyment competing back then.
What is the difference between getting the answer to a puzzle and PAF or
logging a cache someone else in the group found?
Jim Bensman
"Nature Bats Last"
> -----Original Message-----
> From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Rogers
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 7:42 AM
> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: National Forest also needs to be clairified-the 3
> finders did not bookmark a cache in a NF-RE: Re: Island cache!
>
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> Okay, this is where I take issue. What's the point of making puzzle
> caches if everyone is "entitled" to find them? That's the point of
> puzzle caches, especially the tougher ones...some people will be able
> to figure them out and some won't. That's just the way it is.
> I have had puzzles that took me the better part of a year of off and on
> working on them to figure out. Once I actually found the cache, I felt
> rewarded for the hard work I put into it. Now, how hollow of a victory
> would it have been had I just been told where the cache was? I have
> also placed some more challenging puzzles, too. As an owner of some, I
> put the effort in making the puzzle and it would feel like a slap in my
> face to have someone just give out the final coordinates to someone
> because they didn't want to do the work.
>
> Now, don't get me wrong, if someone is caching alongside another person
> then that's one of those. That happens and it's not that big of a deal
> to me. What is a big deal is someone just being given the coordinates
> because they don't want to put out the effort.
>
> -Michael
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jason Collier <jcollier@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Mon, January 4, 2010 7:07:43 AM
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: National Forest also needs to be clairified-the 3
> finders did not bookmark a cache in a NF-RE: Re: Island cache!
>
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> Getting the answers to puzzles that are difficult is not an issue with
> me, personally. And especially don't mind in the case of myotis who
> provides the free trail maps which have saved me hours and, I'm sure,
> much tick removal time.
>
> Some people don't like the puzzles and shouldn't be kept from visiting
> the places where the final resides just because they don't know how to
> solve it. Just my humble opinion. :)
>
> FWIW, I do give the puzzles the old college try but if I just can't
> figure it out, I'll ask for help.
>
> Jason Collier
> C3GPS.com
> 314-623-0263
>
>
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