[GeoStL] Re: NGR: Conceal and Carry
- From: "RNX" <_rnx_@xxxxxxx>
- To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:17:06 -0400
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The point i was trying to make is that we are not a live and let live society.
The comment, "we would never impose our views on them but for
some misguided reason they feel they have the right to impose their views on
us" rings of hypocrisy. I listed a few instances where society (perhaps
misguided perhaps not) feels the right to impose.
I support the right to bear arms but the right to conceal and carry is not
protected by the constitution. Put your gun in your gun rack, hold it in your
arms, sling it from your saddle, or wear it on your hip so I can see it. I
want to know on whom I need to keep a weather eye.
I believe that smoking is a health hazard and smokers should be considerate.
Smokers should avoid smoking in high traffic areas. Does that mean that all
public places should be non-smoking? Butts are litter and first and second
hand smoke is hazardous but do we cross the line when we tell business owners
that they must prohibit smoking? Wouldn't the free market take care of that.
Don't patronize an establishment that allows smoking if you find it offensive.
If enough people join your boycott then the business will fail.
Legalize and tax soft drugs. Prohibition has proven not to work and is only
filling our prisons, emptying our coffers, and funding organized crime. Gone
are the days of reefer madness. A move away from hysteria and a return to
sanity would be refreshing.
Marriage is a religious institution. Separation of church and state would
appear to prohibit government sanctioned marriage or protecting one vision of
marriage to fit the needs of the conservative religious majority. Special
consideration and privileges for government sanctioned marriages are a thinly
veiled institutionalized discrimination against all the non-conventional
citizens of this country.
Referring to the unalienable rights of Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of
Happiness noted in the United States Declaration of Independence, Supreme
Court Justice Warren wrote the following in his opinion of Loving v.
Virginia, "The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital
personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men."
I appologize in advance for the rant. I am only holding up a mirror so that we
all can see ourselves a little bit better.
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Received: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:18:00 PM EDT
From: "Gale R. Nie" <showme69@xxxxxxxx>
To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: NGR: Conceal and Carry
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Apples and oranges. Fortunately, guns are protected by the Bill of Rights.
But since I'm not embarrassed or ashamed by my personal beliefs as no one
should be, for the record, I part ways with conservatives on the smoking
issue. Being a nurse, I feel prohibiting smoking in public places is a
matter of health and not choice. I smoke cigars but would never expose
someone else to the smoke. Illegal drugs would take too long to get into
here. I'm a conservative, not a libertarian. Same sex marriage, no. Civil
unions, yes.
Gale
----- Original Message -----
From: "RNX" <_rnx_@xxxxxxx>
To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:02 PM
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: NGR: Conceal and Carry
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> Does the same apply to smoking? Drugs? Same sex marriage?
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> Received: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:53:35 PM EDT
> From: "Gale R. Nie" <showme69@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: NGR: Conceal and Carry
>
> Couldn't agree more Sara. If someone doesn't want to own or carry a gun,
> they
> certainly shouldn't be doing it. That's the difference between progun
> people
> and people who are ANTIgun; we would never impose our views on them but
> for
> some misguided reason they feel they have the right to impose their views
> on
> us. Thank God and our founding fathers for the 2nd Amendment. Heck, even
> the
> Dalai Lama has said, "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it
> would
> be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." My source for the quote:
> http://tinyurl.com/29ytea
>
> Gale
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sara Gomer
> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 7:22 PM
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: NGR: Conceal and Carry
>
>
> And that's you're personal choice. I don't carry nearly as often as my
> husband does but there are times that I do and I like knowing that if I
> have
> to go somewhere I feel may not be the safest I have the legal right to
> carry
> without fear of problems with the local law enforcement. And as someone
> else
> said, knowing that some people are carrying will deter many criminals
> simply
> because they have no idea who is or isn't carrying at any given time.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Stephen Martin <faery_generic@xxxxxxx>
> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, October 8, 2007 6:46:57 PM
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: NGR: Conceal and Carry
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> unless I have to fight a postapocolyptic war I will NEVER be packing
>
> Stephen
>
> On Monday, October 08, 2007, at 05:18PM, "Mike Miesner"
> <mmeese1@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >Not packing
> >
> >On 10/8/07, tnsl <sydstyr@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> Sheesh .. I guess a good question would be -- who here ISN'T packing
> >> heat??? ROFLOL
> >>
> >> Nancy
> >> He does so I don't have too ..
> >>
> >
>
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