Unfortunately, Illinois and Wisconsin are the only two states that still don't have any kind of concealed carry. It's amazing, 37 states now have "shall issue" laws, 9 have "may issue", and in Vermont or Alaska anyone can carry without a permit, but Illinois and Wisconsin just won't come around. Anyone heard of a crime wave hitting Vermont? Gale ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric East To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:49 PM Subject: [GeoStL] Re: NGR: Conceal and Carry I wish we had the right to carry here in IL.! ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian and Sue Steele To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:37 PM Subject: [GeoStL] NGR: Conceal and Carry I'd appreciate feedback on two things: 1) Anyone know of someone in the area that teaches the conceal and carry class? 2) What is your opinion /experience with the Kel Tec 9mm or just the company in general? Thanks! Sue