jcool bubu wrote: > is Visual J++6 from the Ground Up any good for someone who is just now > starting out? and i bought it for $1. is that good? > It depends on what you are starting out in. If it's programming, I would definitely recommend putting Java aside and tinkering with Python tutorial examples and pyGame demo programs. I now find (too late I'm afraid) that Python as a language does a really good job of offloading boring syntactic details and library issues off one's head. It feels very concise. As a consequence, when writing in Python I tend to think more of what I'm trying to accomplish, rather than of how to get around language limitations and wade through syntactic jungles to make something work. This, I feel, is even more important to a beginner. -- ./lxnt --------------------- To unsubscribe go to http://gameprogrammer.com/mailinglist.html