The battle in Vienna will be between Prussia and France so Turkey has to leave
the area.
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Subject: [eiagreek] Re: Rules clarification, Insurrection & Withdrawal ΙΙ
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I do not see how it is possible for Prussia to force Turkey to move in your
case.
Turkey is not at war with Prussia.
Turkey has a corps at Vienna.
Prussia also moves to Vienna.
Not battle, no nothing, they occupy the same area and everyone goes about their
business.
On 2018-02-26 17:35, Laertes Papaspyrou wrote:
Ok but Yannis asks to also consider the scenario where there is no combined and
both turkey and Austria have already played their turn. Who is the phasing
power then?
On 26 Feb 2018, at 18:29, T. B.
<scotland_above_all@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:scotland_above_all@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Here's my lengthy reply:
I totally agree with Tyron!
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Subject: [eiagreek] Re: Rules clarification, Insurrection & Withdrawal ΙΙ
The rules look clear to me.
7.5.1 GENERAL RULES OF LAND COMBAT: The phasing side is the "attacker" and the
non-phasing side is the "defender".
The phasing player is always the attacker.
In this case Austria would be the attacker. It is combined
Austrian/British/Prussian turn and we are the phasing player. If Prussia or
Britain force Turkey to move into insurrection province and Austria places the
insurrection corps then Austria is the attacker.
In regular circumstances let's say Turkey is playing and it moves a corps from
Belgrade to Eszek, Austria places both Ins. corps. Turkey ahs to stop and
Turkey is the attacker as it is Turkey who is phasing player.
On 2018-02-26 15:36, Yannis Sykamias wrote:
Ok, so who you consider attacker and who defender under this interpretation?
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I don't see what is the problem, the rule is clear about "moving to any
adjacent area".
It can not be a withdrawal, you withdraw from battle.
This is not a battle situation.
Moving can trigger Insurrection corps placement and everything goes on just
like if the Turkey moved from Belgrade to Peterwardein, stopping movement and
battle and all.
On 2018-02-26 14:10, Yannis Sykamias wrote:
Correct Tiron!
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Subject: [eiagreek] Re: Rules clarification, Insurrection & Withdrawal ΙΙ
Are we talking about this:
7.3.8.4 STEP FOUR: All major powers not at war with the attacker (except the
attacker and his allies at war with the defender and factors in cities or on
depots) must now leave the area, moving to any adjacent area that, if possible,
is closer or at least as close to their source of supply as the area they leave.
On 2018-02-26 12:09, Makis Xiroyannis wrote:
I can live with this interpretation as well. It was the result of the first
voting. But as Laertes said, little details allow for a continuation of the
argument.
On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Tiron
<strategija@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:strategija@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Is this what we are voting on????????
1. Turks withdraw from battle and move into Insurrection province.
2. The withdrawal ends right there.
3. After withdrawal, since the corps entered province, Insurrection corps
placement is triggered.
4. Battle happens.
I can live with this interpretation.
On 2018-02-26 11:03, Makis Xiroyannis wrote:
new thread, previous one "broke" due to many messages
As already said you are mixing things that are not consistent.
Am I doing that?
I have already explained that this event could occur even if both me and Turley
have already played out turn, so you may not provide an interpretation of the
rules based on current condition but on any similar condition. So the fact that
i still have not played my turn is not relevant with what triggers the battle
which is the entrance of Turkish forces in Austrian border province.
I replied to that as well: Whenever is the next battle phase for one of the two
of you. If the game ends that turn, then never! But I am not interested to make
a rule for one in a million situation that (i believe) is unexplored ground and
not intended. Also your persistence to try to explain this one-off case for
every case imagined, in addition to your denial for every suggestion offered
(like naval move interpretation, move and not retreat etc, not even offered by
me as explanations, but I accepted them) is clearly blocking the whole effort
to move on with additional "what ifs" so that the discussion continues forever.
Until what, we grow bored and accept that your original explanation is the only
possible one?
Anyway, i see no point in recycling the same arguments,
To that, we are in agreement.
let's all cast a vote if this a move/ withdrawal and if it is a move who is the
attacker and who is the defender in order to allow me to decide how to play my
turn.
So you propose that we scrap the second voting (because you don't accept that
the phasing player will be the initiator of the battle emerging) and make a
new one with different questions, to see if it bears another result.
Alright, lets vote again. Don't want to be the one to block a voting, for
whatever reason.
Everyone, please vote so that we move on. It is the last time we vote on this
subject (at least for me). You can express your arguments, although you don't
have to, we heard enough of both sides at this point.
We take for granted the first voting (insurrections can spawn during any phase)
and replace the result of the second voting with the following 2 questions:
Makis Yannis Dimitris (P) Dimitris (R) Laertis Tiron
Theodore
Is Turkey "moving out" or "withdrawing" when Prussian non-hostile troops enter
the area? moving out withdrawing
Who is the attacker when the battle is initiated phasing player moving
player