folks, thanks for all the help with this fostex sonar thing. alass i still have the question, if all elts fales can i use the nudge feature to sink these suckers up? let me know. and if i can use the nudge let me know any thing, you would think is emportent about said feature. thanks a lot for all of the help. it is such a blessing to have this list! Shawn Brock Cincinnati Sound Lab 130 East Sixth Street Cincinnati Oh. 45202 Phone: 513-349-8541 Web Site: www.cincysoundlab.com