related : m.motherjones.com/politics/2014/09/scotland-independence-referendum-currency-bitcoin On Monday, September 8, 2014, doug <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Salmond laid it on the line, committed himself in the last and final > debate with Darling, when he said in reply to the "what if" plan "b" point > (which caught him on the hop at the first meeting) that the "better > together" movement were making, that if the people were voting for > independence, then as far as he was concerned, the view that the Scottish > government was taking, was that sticking with the pound, with an agreement > with Westminster was the best option. So, it would probably be too late to > advocate any other formula. If the Scots decide to vote for independence, > that is the route they will be going down. > > What I have found funny over the last few days, has been all those extra > bits of carrots which Cameron and Co have come up with to try and keep the > Union. First of all we had the stick, no say on the pound, kicked out of > the E.U. no chance of getting back in, fleeing of international and > national businesses from Scotland. No compensation or help to remove the > Polaris bases in Scotland and so on. > > Yet Salmond and the Scottish government tried to get included in the > referendum questions, another alternative which would allow for greater > devolution of powers, rather than just a straight Yes/No question on > independence. Cameron and Co. refused point blank to have it included, > said it would be too complicated. Cameron has now, or is going up there to > sort it all out. The trouble he has got is that he is seen as a typical > English Conservative, the hooray henry with the hoighty toighty accent, > speaks with chukkie stones in his mouth, and all that jazz. He might > finish up making the situation a lot worse. I certainly wouldn't like to > be in his shoes...:-). > > They calculated that they were going to easily win the vote and didn't > want the third alternative clouding the issue. Yet, here they are, trying > to do that very thing, even though the postal votes are already in. Could > finish up, if it goes pear shaped for the Scottish government and they lose > the independence vote; that they could appeal and go for a re-run of the > referendum, due to the waters being muddied by the Conservative/Liberal > Coalition changing the goalposts. > > Ah! Well! The proof o' the puddin' is aye in the eatin. And whether the > Scots vote with their hearts or their minds, we won't know until the day of > reckonin'. > ATB > Dougie. > > On 08/09/14 23:33, Aftermath wrote: > > I dont think theyve considered it either unlike Ecuador or Iceland, but > they could still have paper money by using QR codes on paper and and > creating exchanges to exchange fiat to digital. > > The new proof of steak method is far more efficent and arguably more > secure than the proof of work that first gen cryptocurrencies use so > massive distributed mining and electrical consumption wouldnt be an issue.. > > On Monday, September 8, 2014, doug <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx');>> wrote: > >> >> >> Hi Aftermath, >> Now, that is a very interesting point. The Scots were never short at >> inventiveness during the industrial revolution, and very few of us learned >> our reading and writing without the aid of that great Scots American Andrew >> Carnegie, who devoted so much of the wealth which he extracted from >> exploiting his U.S. workforce in the late 19th and early 20th century, that >> he didn't know what to do with it and gave 90% away to funding the >> educational and philanthropic institutions with the wherewithal’s to give a >> diverse education to the underdogs of the world...including us Scots. >> There is nary a town in Scotland that doesn't have its main library named >> after and funded by Andrew Carnegie. I, myself would never have been able >> to read books on so many subjects, in the comfort of a nice, warm reference >> room in the middle of a harrowing Scottish winter, if it hadn't been for >> this man's great benefaction... >> >> That said...I don't think that the Scottish establishment has even >> considered using a crypto-currency....though I could be wrong! It has >> found great difficulty getting its head round the practicalities of using >> the pound Sterling, and cannot even agree on how much oil wealth they >> have. And they have the same problem prioritising and balancing the budget >> as does any other bureaucratic state. >> >> Really, at the time they decided to go for a referendum on independence, >> they were hoping to join the Euro, as an alternative to the pound if they >> couldn't get some kind of agreement with the Bank of England. However, the >> global financial crisis "scotched" that, if you will pardon the pun, so >> they were left with the alternative of going for the pound sterling or >> creating a new currency called the Scottish pound. >> >> Trying the concept of joining the Euro on the Scottish masses, was >> unfortunately a no go area at the time and it was felt that it would lose >> them any referendum. A crypto-currency would be even more confusing, in my >> humble opinion. I remember carrying out a survey in my local computer club >> a couple of years ago, and I was the only one who had ever heard of >> Bitcoin, and no one had a clue what it was. >> >> Having left Scotland in 1964 as an economic migrant and hitch-hiked all >> the way to London with £50 in my pocket to make my fortune, most of my >> close family have passed on and I have little contact with rare relatives, >> and therefore, nux influence on Scottish life. However, if anyone on here >> has contact with the Scottish Social media, it might well be worth while >> bringing the subject up... >> >> Kind Regards, >> Dougie. >> >> >> On 08/09/14 21:44, Aftermath wrote: >> >> as far as their national currency, its not unheard of for a country to >> atleast CONSIDER the use of cryptocurrency. >> >> >> >> >> On Monday, September 8, 2014, doug <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Silent1, >>> I am a member Yougov, but they didn't give me the chance to vote in any >>> of their polls on Scotland. Doesn't surprise me in the slightest that the >>> "Yes" lot are using such tactics...I dare say, so are the "No" vote...who >>> is the biggest. And why is it all so urgent...tomorrow is another day. >>> Long before the referendum, I watched the various debates in the >>> parliamentary committees on the Scottish question...one could see then how >>> the arguments were going to pan out. I loved the currency question, when >>> it came up at in the Financial Committee. Completely flummoxed the >>> Scottish Civil Servant, I was surprised that Salmond got caught out on it, >>> he is a wiley politician if there is one. >>> >>> It will be interesting to find out how the social media has been used by >>> all the Parties, institutions and organisations, and how much it will >>> influence the outcome. I dare say that some academic will be doing a >>> report on it. >>> >>> Regarding The West Lothian Question...I fully agree. I don't see why >>> the M.P.s representing Scottish constituencies should be allowed to vote in >>> the Westminster Parliament on what are English questions. The issue has >>> been raised many times by the Scottish nationalists, they drew Cameron's >>> attention to the contradiction, but it was ignored, too busy fighting and >>> funding foreign wars and supporting the U.S. and the Al Quaeda Liberation >>> Front in Syria. >>> >>> If Cameron had paid more attention and put more money into the kitty, >>> then perhaps his Conservative/Liberal government and their "Better >>> Together" cronies would be in a stronger position, both in England as well >>> as Scotland. English Nationalists, little Englanders and UKIP popping up >>> everywhere. >>> >>> I loved the crack made by a member of the public at one of the debates >>> between the Scottish P.M. Alex Salmond and the "Better Together" leader, >>> Alistair Darling. He asked Mr. Darling why we weren't better together now, >>> rather than getting on better in the future...difficult one to answer...got >>> a big laugh...:-). >>> ATB >>> Dougie. >>> >>> On 08/09/14 19:15, Silent1 wrote: >>> >>>> Just a small note regarding polling, a lot of the yes voting camp were >>>> getting people the sign up to yougov (the main referendum polling agency) a >>>> few months ago so it can't be taken to be all that accurate. >>>> I'm indifferent to Scotland leaving or staying I'd rather the West >>>> Lothian question was sorted though. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: >>>> cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of doug >>>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 6:43 PM >>>> To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [cryptome] Scottish Independence? >>>> >>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>> >>>> With the recent polls giving the "Yes to Independence" vote a small >>>> majority for the first time in the referendum on nationhood....which has >>>> shocked a number of their English "betters" and surprised the Scots Nats >>>> even more. I was just thinking about the strategic implications for the >>>> Western powers if the Scottish people do decide to leave the UK and >>>> strike out on their own. It would certainly mean some kind of changes >>>> to NATO, to 5 eyes, to various Western alliances, and England's position >>>> in the world. it is a different proposition arguing world politics and >>>> sending armies to Afghanistan, Iraq and such like, as a "little >>>> Englander" nation rather than the United Kingdom. One can see why Obama >>>> wants Scotland to stay as part of the UK, what with the polaris bases >>>> and storage facilities and other US listening posts based there. There >>>> are a lot of Scots wanting rid of these facilities and would rather >>>> spend the money on "proper" jobs like tourism and protecting the >>>> environment. I wonder if Obama and the NSA will offer pots of money for >>>> a new Scottish C.I.A. and NSA to work in alliance with GCHQ and the >>>> secret intelligence service. I wonder if the S.I.S. will consider us as >>>> friendly aliens". I wonder if the S.I.S. and the security service, >>>> considers all of those who support yes and vote yes, as enemies of the >>>> state, radicals and targets of operations... >>>> >>>> It is interesting to note, too, that the very Conservative Westminster >>>> parliament, after being very negative about the Scots being able to do >>>> without the support, expertise and money from the English parliament, >>>> that the Conservative politicians are now offering all sorts of carrots >>>> to keep the Scots in the kingdom. And this is being done...AFTER...some >>>> of the voting has already taken place. That wouldn't be allowed to >>>> happen in a UK election, yet it is being forced upon the Scots. i >>>> wonder how the Scots will react to it. The same thing happened with the >>>> Poll Tax, the Scots bore the brunt of it. >>>> >>>> All the stops are being pulled out at Westminster, the dirty tricks are >>>> starting, and I dare say that the U.S. embassy will be sticking its oar >>>> in as well... >>>> >>>> Maybe the Scots should use the dollar...rather than the pound...:-). >>>> Food for thought. >>>> ATB >>>> Dougie. >>>> P.S. I am not a nationalist, nor am I for or against independence. Just >>>> like being a member of the E.U. I don't have a clue whether it is a >>>> good or a bad thing. Personally, I think small is beautiful. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >