[cryptome] Re: Scottish Independence?

  • From: Aftermath <aftermath.thegreat@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 03:11:26 -0700

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On Monday, September 8, 2014, doug <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  Salmond laid it on the line, committed himself in the last and final
> debate with Darling, when he said in reply to the "what if" plan "b" point
> (which caught him on the hop at the first meeting) that the "better
> together" movement were making, that if the people were voting for
> independence, then as far as he was concerned, the view that the Scottish
> government was taking, was that sticking with the pound, with an agreement
> with Westminster was the best option.  So, it would probably be too late to
> advocate any other formula.  If the Scots decide to vote for independence,
> that is the route they will be going down.
> What I have found funny over the last few days, has been all those extra
> bits of carrots which Cameron and Co have come up with to try and keep the
> Union. First of all we had the stick, no say on the pound, kicked out of
> the E.U. no chance of getting back in, fleeing of international and
> national businesses from Scotland.  No compensation or help to remove the
> Polaris bases in Scotland and so on.
> Yet Salmond and the Scottish government tried to get included in the
> referendum questions, another alternative which would allow for greater
> devolution of powers, rather than just a straight Yes/No question on
> independence.  Cameron and Co. refused point blank to have it included,
> said it would be too complicated.  Cameron has now, or is going up there to
> sort it all out.  The trouble he has got is that he is seen as a typical
> English Conservative, the hooray henry with the hoighty toighty accent,
> speaks with chukkie stones in his mouth, and all that jazz.  He might
> finish up making the situation a lot worse.  I certainly wouldn't like to
> be in his shoes...:-).
>  They calculated that they were going to easily win the vote and didn't
> want the third alternative clouding the issue.  Yet, here they are, trying
> to do that very thing, even though the postal votes are already in.   Could
> finish up, if it goes pear shaped for the Scottish government and they lose
> the independence vote; that they could appeal and go for a re-run of the
> referendum, due to the waters being muddied by the Conservative/Liberal
> Coalition changing the goalposts.
> Ah! Well! The proof o' the puddin' is aye in the eatin.  And whether the
> Scots vote with their hearts or their minds, we won't know until the day of
> reckonin'.
> Dougie.
> On 08/09/14 23:33, Aftermath wrote:
> I dont think theyve considered it either unlike Ecuador or Iceland, but
> they could still have paper money by using QR codes on paper and and
> creating exchanges to exchange fiat to digital.
>  The new proof of steak method is far more efficent and arguably more
> secure than the proof of work that first gen cryptocurrencies use so
> massive distributed mining and electrical consumption wouldnt be an issue..
> On Monday, September 8, 2014, doug <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx');>> wrote:
>> Hi Aftermath,
>> Now, that is a very interesting point.  The Scots were never short at
>> inventiveness during the industrial revolution, and very few of us learned
>> our reading and writing without the aid of that great Scots American Andrew
>> Carnegie, who devoted so much of the wealth which he extracted from
>> exploiting his U.S. workforce in the late 19th and early 20th century, that
>> he didn't know what to do with it and gave 90% away to funding the
>> educational and philanthropic institutions with the wherewithal’s to give a
>> diverse education to the underdogs of the world...including us Scots.
>> There is nary a town in Scotland that doesn't have its main library named
>> after and funded by Andrew Carnegie.  I, myself would never have been able
>> to read books on so many subjects, in the comfort of a nice, warm reference
>> room in the middle of a harrowing Scottish winter, if it hadn't been for
>> this man's great benefaction...
>> That said...I don't think that the Scottish establishment has even
>> considered using a crypto-currency....though I could be wrong!  It has
>> found great difficulty getting its head round the practicalities of using
>> the pound Sterling, and cannot even agree on how much oil wealth they
>> have.  And they have the same problem prioritising and balancing the budget
>> as does any other bureaucratic state.
>> Really, at the time they decided to go for a referendum on independence,
>> they were hoping to join the Euro, as an alternative to the pound if they
>> couldn't get some kind of agreement with the Bank of England.  However, the
>> global financial crisis "scotched" that, if you will pardon the pun, so
>> they were left with the alternative of going for the pound sterling or
>> creating a new currency called the Scottish pound.
>> Trying the concept of joining the Euro on the Scottish masses, was
>> unfortunately a no go area at the time and it was felt that it would lose
>> them any referendum. A crypto-currency would be even more confusing, in my
>> humble opinion.  I remember carrying out a survey in my local computer club
>> a couple of years ago, and I was the only one who had ever heard of
>> Bitcoin, and no one had a clue what it was.
>> Having left Scotland in 1964 as an economic migrant and hitch-hiked all
>> the way to London with £50 in my pocket to make my fortune, most of my
>> close family have passed on and I have little contact with rare relatives,
>> and therefore, nux influence on Scottish life.  However, if anyone on here
>> has contact with the Scottish Social media, it might well be worth while
>> bringing the subject up...
>> Kind Regards,
>> Dougie.
>> On 08/09/14 21:44, Aftermath wrote:
>> as far as their national currency, its not unheard of for a country to
>> atleast CONSIDER the use of cryptocurrency.
>> On Monday, September 8, 2014, doug <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Silent1,
>>> I am a member Yougov, but they didn't give me the chance to vote in any
>>> of their polls on Scotland.   Doesn't surprise me in the slightest that the
>>> "Yes" lot are using such tactics...I dare say, so are the "No" vote...who
>>> is the biggest.  And why is it all so urgent...tomorrow is another day.
>>> Long before the referendum, I watched the various debates in the
>>> parliamentary committees on the Scottish question...one could see then how
>>> the arguments were going to pan out.  I loved the currency question, when
>>> it came up at in the Financial Committee.  Completely flummoxed the
>>> Scottish Civil Servant, I was surprised that Salmond got caught out on it,
>>> he is a wiley politician if there is one.
>>> It will be interesting to find out how the social media has been used by
>>> all the Parties, institutions and organisations, and how much it will
>>> influence the outcome.  I dare say that some academic will be doing a
>>> report on it.
>>> Regarding The West Lothian Question...I fully agree.  I don't see why
>>> the M.P.s representing Scottish constituencies should be allowed to vote in
>>> the Westminster Parliament on what are English questions.   The issue has
>>> been raised many times by the Scottish nationalists,  they drew Cameron's
>>> attention to the contradiction, but it was ignored, too busy fighting and
>>> funding foreign wars and supporting the U.S. and the Al Quaeda Liberation
>>> Front in Syria.
>>> If Cameron had paid more attention and put more money into the kitty,
>>> then perhaps his Conservative/Liberal government and their "Better
>>> Together" cronies would be in a stronger position, both in England as well
>>> as Scotland.  English Nationalists, little Englanders and UKIP popping up
>>> everywhere.
>>> I loved the crack made by a member of the public at one of the debates
>>> between the Scottish P.M.  Alex Salmond and the "Better Together" leader,
>>> Alistair Darling.  He asked Mr. Darling why we weren't better together now,
>>> rather than getting on better in the future...difficult one to answer...got
>>> a big laugh...:-).
>>> ATB
>>> Dougie.
>>> On 08/09/14 19:15, Silent1 wrote:
>>>> Just a small note regarding polling, a lot of the yes voting camp were
>>>> getting people the sign up to yougov (the main referendum polling agency) a
>>>> few months ago so it can't be taken to be all that accurate.
>>>> I'm indifferent to Scotland leaving or staying I'd rather the West
>>>> Lothian question was sorted though.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>> cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of doug
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 6:43 PM
>>>> To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [cryptome] Scottish Independence?
>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>> With the recent polls giving the "Yes to Independence" vote a small
>>>> majority for the first time in the referendum on nationhood....which has
>>>> shocked a number of their English "betters" and surprised the Scots Nats
>>>> even more. I was just thinking about the strategic implications for the
>>>> Western powers if the Scottish people do decide to leave the UK and
>>>> strike out on their own.  It would certainly mean some kind of changes
>>>> to NATO, to 5 eyes, to various Western alliances, and England's position
>>>> in the world.  it is a different proposition arguing world politics and
>>>> sending armies to Afghanistan, Iraq and such like, as a "little
>>>> Englander" nation rather than the United Kingdom.  One can see why Obama
>>>> wants Scotland to stay as part of the UK, what with the polaris bases
>>>> and storage facilities and other US listening posts based there.  There
>>>> are a lot of Scots wanting rid of these facilities and would rather
>>>> spend the money on "proper" jobs like tourism and protecting the
>>>> environment.  I wonder if Obama and the NSA will offer pots of money for
>>>> a new Scottish C.I.A. and NSA to work in alliance with GCHQ and the
>>>> secret intelligence service.  I wonder if the S.I.S. will consider us as
>>>> friendly aliens".  I wonder if the S.I.S. and the security service,
>>>> considers all of those who support yes and vote yes, as enemies of the
>>>> state, radicals and targets of operations...
>>>> It is interesting to note, too, that the very Conservative Westminster
>>>> parliament, after being very negative about the Scots being able to do
>>>> without the support, expertise and money from the English parliament,
>>>> that the Conservative politicians are now offering all sorts of carrots
>>>> to keep the Scots in the kingdom. And this is being done...AFTER...some
>>>> of the voting has already taken place.  That wouldn't be allowed to
>>>> happen in a UK election, yet it is being forced upon the Scots.  i
>>>> wonder how the Scots will react to it.  The same thing happened with the
>>>> Poll Tax, the Scots bore the brunt of it.
>>>> All the stops are being pulled out at Westminster, the dirty tricks are
>>>> starting, and I dare say that the U.S. embassy will be sticking its oar
>>>> in as well...
>>>> Maybe the Scots should use the dollar...rather than the pound...:-).
>>>> Food for thought.
>>>> ATB
>>>> Dougie.
>>>> P.S. I am not a nationalist, nor am I for or against independence. Just
>>>> like being a member of the E.U.  I don't have a clue whether it is a
>>>> good or a bad thing.  Personally, I think small is beautiful.

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