[cryptome] Re: Scottish Independence?

  • From: doug <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 19:52:22 +0100

Hi Silent1,
I am a member Yougov, but they didn't give me the chance to vote in any of their polls on Scotland. Doesn't surprise me in the slightest that the "Yes" lot are using such tactics...I dare say, so are the "No" vote...who is the biggest. And why is it all so urgent...tomorrow is another day. Long before the referendum, I watched the various debates in the parliamentary committees on the Scottish question...one could see then how the arguments were going to pan out. I loved the currency question, when it came up at in the Financial Committee. Completely flummoxed the Scottish Civil Servant, I was surprised that Salmond got caught out on it, he is a wiley politician if there is one.

It will be interesting to find out how the social media has been used by all the Parties, institutions and organisations, and how much it will influence the outcome. I dare say that some academic will be doing a report on it.

Regarding The West Lothian Question...I fully agree. I don't see why the M.P.s representing Scottish constituencies should be allowed to vote in the Westminster Parliament on what are English questions. The issue has been raised many times by the Scottish nationalists, they drew Cameron's attention to the contradiction, but it was ignored, too busy fighting and funding foreign wars and supporting the U.S. and the Al Quaeda Liberation Front in Syria.

If Cameron had paid more attention and put more money into the kitty, then perhaps his Conservative/Liberal government and their "Better Together" cronies would be in a stronger position, both in England as well as Scotland. English Nationalists, little Englanders and UKIP popping up everywhere.

I loved the crack made by a member of the public at one of the debates between the Scottish P.M. Alex Salmond and the "Better Together" leader, Alistair Darling. He asked Mr. Darling why we weren't better together now, rather than getting on better in the future...difficult one to answer...got a big laugh...:-).

On 08/09/14 19:15, Silent1 wrote:
Just a small note regarding polling, a lot of the yes voting camp were getting 
people the sign up to yougov (the main referendum polling agency) a few months 
ago so it can't be taken to be all that accurate.
I'm indifferent to Scotland leaving or staying I'd rather the West Lothian 
question was sorted though.

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Subject: [cryptome] Scottish Independence?

Dear Colleagues,

With the recent polls giving the "Yes to Independence" vote a small
majority for the first time in the referendum on nationhood....which has
shocked a number of their English "betters" and surprised the Scots Nats
even more. I was just thinking about the strategic implications for the
Western powers if the Scottish people do decide to leave the UK and
strike out on their own.  It would certainly mean some kind of changes
to NATO, to 5 eyes, to various Western alliances, and England's position
in the world.  it is a different proposition arguing world politics and
sending armies to Afghanistan, Iraq and such like, as a "little
Englander" nation rather than the United Kingdom.  One can see why Obama
wants Scotland to stay as part of the UK, what with the polaris bases
and storage facilities and other US listening posts based there.  There
are a lot of Scots wanting rid of these facilities and would rather
spend the money on "proper" jobs like tourism and protecting the
environment.  I wonder if Obama and the NSA will offer pots of money for
a new Scottish C.I.A. and NSA to work in alliance with GCHQ and the
secret intelligence service.  I wonder if the S.I.S. will consider us as
friendly aliens".  I wonder if the S.I.S. and the security service,
considers all of those who support yes and vote yes, as enemies of the
state, radicals and targets of operations...

It is interesting to note, too, that the very Conservative Westminster
parliament, after being very negative about the Scots being able to do
without the support, expertise and money from the English parliament,
that the Conservative politicians are now offering all sorts of carrots
to keep the Scots in the kingdom. And this is being done...AFTER...some
of the voting has already taken place.  That wouldn't be allowed to
happen in a UK election, yet it is being forced upon the Scots.  i
wonder how the Scots will react to it.  The same thing happened with the
Poll Tax, the Scots bore the brunt of it.

All the stops are being pulled out at Westminster, the dirty tricks are
starting, and I dare say that the U.S. embassy will be sticking its oar
in as well...

Maybe the Scots should use the dollar...rather than the pound...:-).
Food for thought.
P.S. I am not a nationalist, nor am I for or against independence. Just
like being a member of the E.U.  I don't have a clue whether it is a
good or a bad thing.  Personally, I think small is beautiful.

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