Excellent...Correct answer...:-).
Now, where was I? Oh! Yes! What is a thought, Michael? If you can answer
that one to my satisfaction, then I will attempt, in my own humble way to
explain to you the difference between pedantry and critical thinking...:-).
The answer to the question is not unimportant by the way. There are a lot of
developments in psychology, the neuro-sciences, neural networking; artificial
intelligence and machine learning taking place, which, in my view, we ignore
such questions and developments to our cost...
OK?
ATB
Dougie.
From: cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of Michael Best
Sent: 13 January 2016 11:16
To: cryptome
Subject: [cryptome] Re: Former Spy Chief Reveals Secret Strategies for
Undermining Freedom, Attacking Religion, and Promoting Terrorism
My apologies...I forgot...If “context is king”, then what is queen?
One of the greatest rock bands ever.
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 6:00 AM, Douglas Rankine2001
<douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
My apologies...I forgot...If “context is king”, then what is queen?
ATB
Dougie.
From: cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of Douglas Rankine2001
Sent: 13 January 2016 10:48
To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [cryptome] Re: Former Spy Chief Reveals Secret Strategies for
Undermining Freedom, Attacking Religion, and Promoting Terrorism
I dunno Mike...All these big words and phrases confuse me... My understanding
of the English language is at a much simpler level...”indiscriminate critical
thinking” eh? I don’t know what you mean.
The trouble with putting labels on summat is that one needs a container on
which to stick the labels...and sometimes, it is as well to remember that we
put the wrong labels, or wrongly categorised labels on the wrong containers and
Vicki Verki. And it doesn’t matter whether the action or process is
discriminate or indiscriminate. The other problem is with the containers
themselves, the labelled items have a nasty habit of jumping out of the
container and losing themselves, in some other container...or vanish into the
ether. The last problem is that critical thinkers never make a mistake,
indiscriminate or otherwise...merely typos...:-).
Now...as you know so much about different kinds of thinking...Can you tell me
what a thought is...
ATB
Dougie.
From: cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of Michael Best
Sent: 12 January 2016 22:19
To: cryptome
Subject: [cryptome] Re: Former Spy Chief Reveals Secret Strategies for
Undermining Freedom, Attacking Religion, and Promoting Terrorism
Indiscriminate critical thinking, Dougie? Really? Is that what it's come to? ;-)
Critical thinking preaches a gospel of questioning authority and
self-determination, I cannot endorse an enterprise that is as fraught with
peril as I believe this one to be!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyZzXbc0eSk
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 4:54 PM, douglas rankine
<douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Michael,
I dunno Mike, but that was the way I interpreted it... :-) . And who is to say
that my interpretation is not better than your utterance of it? You don't know
who the document was written by...I don't know who the document was written by.
The Wikipedia article says it was published by the Russians in 1903. That
doesn't mean that it was written by a Russian, could have been an international
writer, or by Anonymous. 2nd point. How many different editions of it are
there. And are all those editions an exact copy of the "original". What
editions were used by foreign publishers, were the Protocols "doctored" by
someone, who thought it would fit the times, the philosophy, the purposes of
his/her masters; and give it the necessary credibility amongst the chattering
classes or the masses? Is the published version the same as what the writer
wrote. Also, Wikipedia, is not exactly the most reliable source of
information...but a nice starting point...which is why always use it...because
I am lazy... :-) . I always go to Wikipedia when I start to study a new
subject, one should always research as wide as possible before forming an
opinion, in my book. As I say, I could go on.
I am always wary about believing anything which has even a hint of a secret or
intelligence service, be it the CIA, GCHQ or the old KGB. or MOSSAD, (to name
but a few) for that matter. The Zinoviev letter is a case and point...well
worth researching...and reading in conjunction with the fictions of John Le
Carre...(not his real name of course)... :-) .I never got as far as the source
of the article, or the book. I was just making, what I thought, was a most
helpful and constructive observation to the discussion.
Like Shelley, I appreciate, like and enjoy what you are doing...and have
followed up, those which are of particular interest, with due diligence, some
of the urls which you have been putting on the list. It is quite refreshing
to see such work, and we need more of it on this mailing list and in the world.
ATB
Dougie.
P.S." a proximate and ultimate cause" is meaningless...it is either absolute
and true...or not...and is a contradiction in itself or means whatever you or I
want it to mean... :-) . Ultimate is a relation, not an absolute. Judges use
that kind of langauge, and the intelligence services use that kind of langauge
when they are trying to justify something which can't...I have noticed.. :-) .
P.P.S. I reserve the "right" to take apart an article without going to the
source. I like to follow other people's example. and there is a lot of them
around. It is bad practice I know...but there you are...I never was known for
being mainstream, politically correct or following "offical doctrine"...Always
got me into trouble.
On 12/01/2016 21:14, Michael Best wrote:
So...if I distribute something, no matter what it says, and the more well known
it is, the better...say copy and paste it, and it is picked up, copied and
acted upon all over the world, then I am not responsible and cannot be held
responsible for its content or the actions which result from it.
Is that what I said? Nope. Did I imply that? Nope. I just referred to proximate
and ultimate cause. If the document hadn't been forged by the Russians, it
wouldn't have been given to John Ford and distributed here and in Nazi Germany.
And going to the sources, does not get one off the hook either.
No, but it's necessary if you're going to try to "take apart" an "article" (I'm
not sure if that referred to the list of excerpts or the actual book, with all
the context and supporting details and citations).
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 4:08 PM, douglas rankine
<douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Michael,
So...if I distribute something, no matter what it says, and the more well known
it is, the better...say copy and paste it, and it is picked up, copied and
acted upon all over the world, then I am not responsible and cannot be held
responsible for its content or the actions which result from it. And the more
widely it is known, the more credible it is made, the more true it
is...Interesting view of free speech...research, truth, lies, deception and all
that jazz.
And going to the sources, does not get one off the hook either. Consulting the
sources does not necessarily establish the truth, or remove the disinformation,
as I found out when I got to the 40th volume of Lenin's works, only to find out
that they had all been "doctored" i.e. made politically correct to suit
comrade Stalin's view of the world, by his comrades in the publishing house.
It was only later that I realised, as Henry Ford said..."History is
bunk"...took a lot of convincing...but I admit to being a slow learner... :-) .
I once read a book called "The Meaning of Meaning" which was written in the
late 19th century, by a load of English Academics, after reading it and
digesting it for a long time, it made a lot of sense to me...It posed the
question, and the only answer it could give was how difficult it was to
establish what the truth was or what meaning was... :-) .
Of course, at some time one has to come down to a point where on has to believe
in something enough to act on it..and then one joins all the other philosophers
of the world, in giving one's own interpretation of what oneself and the world
is all about. Difficult proposition, and has little to do with truth.
In a famous book called "What is History" E.H. Carr argues that history is
written by the historians.
ATB
Dougie.
P.S. There are many truths, the science is picking the one you want to believe
in and putting it into practice. The art is getting as many others to believe
in it and you as possible so that you are a success... :-) . Believe and act
in the wrong things at the wrong time and you are fucked. c'est la vie... :-)
. Playing with Goebballs.
On 12/01/2016 20:44, Michael Best wrote:
The difference, Dougie, is that one is widely known and the other isn't.
There's also the fact that the Russians were responsible for the forgery, so
all distributions of the book can be laid at their feet.
Also, if you want to pick something apart you'd have to resort to the source
material - not a few dozen quotes from a 450 page book. Context, after all, is
king (and the extensive notes and references help a lot, too)
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:39 PM, douglas rankine
<douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
sWho speaketh the truth?
Just a squick observation on disinformation below, an example of how
information on disinformation can be spread inadvertently... :-) .
quote<<<<How the Soviet bloc planted 4,000 agents of influence in the Islamic
world, armed with hundreds of thousands of copies of the most infamous
anti-Semitic book in history, to fan the flames of ancient Arab resentments
against the U.S. and Israel and sow the seeds of anti-Semitism that would later
bloom in the form of violence and terror toward Jews and Christians.>>>end of
quote.
According to Wikipedia at url:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion
The Soviets were not the only ones to promote the book.
This book was also promoted by Henry Ford who funded the printing of 500,000
copies of it. Adolf Hitler also had it distributed to schools in Germany and
its anti-Jewish message was taught as a part of the national socialist
curriculum.
I think it also crops up in a book called The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown where
he mentions the formation and existence of the Priory of Sion. In the
introduction to the Book, Dan Brown, says that "everything in this book is
true" Even though it is classed as fiction, I knew some people who thought the
work was true.
I could take the rest of the article apart, if I could be bothered...but I
think that the example is enough to show that the truth is never simple and
rarely true... :-)
ATB
Dougie.
On 12/01/2016 16:29, Lou Novacheck wrote:
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:45 AM, Michael Best <themikebest@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa, the highest-ranking intelligence official ever to
defect from the Soviet Bloc, served as acting chief of communist Romania's
espionage service and top adviser to President Nicolae Ceausescu.
The highest-ranking Soviet bloc intelligence official ever to defect to the
West, Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa is at it again. Today, still living undercover
in the United States, the man credited by the CIA as the only person in the
Western world who single-handedly demolished an entire enemy espionage
service--the one he himself managed--takes aim at an even bigger target: the
exotic, widely misunderstood but still astonishingly influential realm of the
Russian-born "science" of disinformation.Indeed, within these pages, Pacepa,
along with his co-author, historian and law professor Ronald Rychlak, expose
some of the most consequential yet largely unknown disinformation campaigns of
our lifetime.
Discover answers to many crucial questions of the modern era:
* Why, during the last two generations, has so much of the Western world
turned against its founding faith, Christianity?
* Why have radical Islam, jihad and terrorism burst aflame after a long
period of apparent quiescence?
* Why is naked Marxism increasingly manifesting in America and its NATO
allies?
* What really happened to Russia after the Berlin Wall came down?
Like the solution to a giant jigsaw puzzle lacking one crucial piece,
Disinformation authoritatively provides the missing dimension that makes the
chaos of the modern world finally understandable. By its very nature, a
disinformation campaign can work only if the seemingly independent Western
press accepts intentionally fabricated lies and presents them to the public as
truth. Thus, Pacepa and Rychlak also document how the U.S. "mainstream media's"
enduring sympathy for all things liberal-left has made it vulnerable
to--indeed, the prime carrier of--civilization-transforming campaigns of lying,
defamation and historical revisionism that turn reality on its head.
* How destroying the reputation of good leaders has been developed into a
high art and science.
* How Pope Pius XII --a generation ago the world's most high-profile
Christian leader, who personally saved countless Jews from Hitler's
Holocaust--was transformed, through the magic of disinformation, into a Nazi
sympathizer.
* How Christianity and Judaism have been targeted for constant
denigration and defamation through an ongoing campaign of disinformation.
* How the Soviet bloc planted 4,000 agents of influence in the Islamic
world, armed with hundreds of thousands of copies of the most infamous
anti-Semitic book in history, to fan the flames of ancient Arab resentments
against the U.S. and Israel and sow the seeds of anti-Semitism that would later
bloom in the form of violence and terror toward Jews and Christians.
* How the defamatory attacks on American soldiers John Kerry made before
Congress upon his return from Vietnam--charges later discredited and
repudiated--were identical to a contemporaneous KGB disinformation campaign
concocted to turn Americans against their own leaders.
* How supposedly respectable institutions like the World Council of
Churches have long been infiltrated and controlled by Russian intelligence.
* How much of the world came to believe that the U.S. government itself
masterminded the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
* How the Soviet Union has been transformed into the first intelligence
dictatorship in history.
* How disinformation is still very much alive in the age of Obama,
remaining a powerful engine in the ongoing socialist transformation of America.
All this and much more is meticulously documented in Disinformation, with the
credibility of an eyewitness who was not only there, but actively involved as a
Soviet bloc spy chief--who, thanks to a crisis of conscience, "left the dark
side" and came to America to help shine a light on the greatest source of
political evil of the modern age.
Excerpts posted to:
http://that1archive.neocities.org/excerpts/Disinformation-Pacepa.html
--
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though
checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither
enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows
neither victory nor defeat.
~ Theodore Roosevelt
How much difference is there between an Obama nation and an abomination?
“Incredible change happens in your life when you decide to take control of what
you do have power over instead of craving control over what you don't.
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