Re: hi
- From: Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 13:51:48 +0700
Biggest issue i have with her is wiff punishing her moves...it's almost
impossible unless they use a big move. Her ws2 is safe on wiff :/ Her
df+2~1 as a wiff punisher is amazing, range and pretty safe.
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Ling was properly a hard match for Lee in BR ~ has no moves that can hit
> her out of SS AOP in some situations.
> I'm sure it's still pretty bad in TTT2 ....... Probably worse because of
> better movement.
>
> When I get that console from my friend Ling and Mig are the characters I
> want to look at first.
>
>
> On 16 March 2014 00:10, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Fuck that china school girl bitch.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 5:10 AM, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> PS. whole new respect lvl for Lee Chaolan players...you have it hard
>>> man...can't seem to hit Ling Xiaoyu :/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 4:59 AM, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Went to Arcadia Arcade today...got destroyed by Ling Xiaoyu... :( got
>>>> demoted
>>>>
>>>> SF4 was pretty hype. There's a clan tournament today. Arcadia Arcade vs
>>>> another Arcade via Link network. Didn't know you can vs other people in
>>>> another arcade in SF4 as long you have internet access. Pretty cool. Didn't
>>>> dare to join the scene because they look serious...(all the pros
>>>> apparently). So many varieties of characters...saw Hakan, Honda main
>>>> players, El Fuerte, etc. 1 Cammy and Ryu surprisingly...lots of weirder
>>>> characters.
>>>>
>>>> There's some KOF 98' action as well. The MBK pros are all there.
>>>> Arcadia is now funnelling all pros into one arcade. Was fun (other than
>>>> getting my ass handed by Ling Xiaoyu/Lars Xiaoyu style) Top Xiaoyu of
>>>> thailand...can play any character as if they were Xiaoyu lolz...poking Lars
>>>> is OP as hell...luckily most people focus too much on Lars launchers and
>>>> combo...but poking Lars is a whole new level of annoying and OP.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone plans to visit BKK, i recommend Arcadia Arcade. All top
>>>> players are there now. MBK or what not is empty.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 4:38 AM, Grei Botes <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ya'll Niggas jus doan kno wat it issssssssssss. I'm da bes. LOLOL.
>>>>> Keeping it Royal.
>>>>>
>>>>> First and only back2back champ. Most wins. Hellz yeah.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am seriously Alpha Bursting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also... VF is a cool game.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Ashraf Barendse <
>>>>> ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> starting to watch now. dis gon be good.
>>>>>> Also, congrats to GB for winning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any of you knobs watching FR now ?
>>>>>>> Stop having social lives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15 March 2014 12:19, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No Paas ! True detective !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Almost done with Bakuman S3.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hiramaru and Niizuma are now in my anime dream team.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15 March 2014 11:49, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So turned my True Detective stuff I downloaded didnt finish
>>>>>>>>> properly...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So I started watching House of Cards instead. Quite enjoying that,
>>>>>>>>> about 5 eps in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: hi
>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 09:23:15 +0000
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll be back in CT on Tuesday night.
>>>>>>>>> *From*: Grei Botes [mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>>>>> *Sent*: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:53 AM South Africa Standard
>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>> *To*: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> *Subject*: Re: hi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh yeah! Alright, sometime in the week Stu. I'll need your addy
>>>>>>>>> again though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I haven't watched it since 2011. Totally forgot about it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I did tell you previously that you could swing around and grab
>>>>>>>>> anime...well not today, but sometime.
>>>>>>>>> *From*: Grei Botes [mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>>>>> *Sent*: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:49 AM South Africa Standard
>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>> *To*: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> *Subject*: Re: hi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PLEASE SOMEBODY BRING NARUTO SHIPPUDEN EPS!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:30 AM, sameegh jardine <
>>>>>>>>> sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hmmm, doesn't it have some invincibility on the startup frames at
>>>>>>>>> least? The latest USF4 change log mentioned that it had been reduced
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> 4f to 2f.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 5:20 AM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No invincibility, and it has 6 frames of recovery so you won't be
>>>>>>>>> able to block anything in your face. The only Ultra that had that
>>>>>>>>> property
>>>>>>>>> was Rose's Ultra 2 in the orginal SSFIV. The thing with Juri's Ultra
>>>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>>>> though is that it changes her hitbox in a way that she can avoid some
>>>>>>>>> ambiguous setups if she does it on wake up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 3:20 AM, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Quick question about Juri's ultra 1...does it has invincibility?
>>>>>>>>> like if someone is about to dive kick you and you activate it. Will
>>>>>>>>> you be
>>>>>>>>> able to block the dive kick even though the kick is right in your face
>>>>>>>>> already? same with projectiles?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any more vids of that Juri player? :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 6:12 AM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Haha @ Infiltration popping off vs K-Brad (jump to 8m50s)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPFUXSAytkA#t=8m50s
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 12:46 AM, Wynand-Ben <
>>>>>>>>> paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The thing is if it was that close to the cusp they where failing
>>>>>>>>> at it frequently either way even before the lag.
>>>>>>>>> So sure that is more applicable to us, who arent that good at this
>>>>>>>>> shit. (It would take 50% success rate to 30% or something)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But it is not valid for the proper/pro players being interviewed
>>>>>>>>> and stuff. They werent "on the cusp".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not sure what it is. But the problem is not the 1f lag. They
>>>>>>>>> can remove it today and people would still bitch because its
>>>>>>>>> something else.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 00:35:20 +0200
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: hi
>>>>>>>>> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The quoted part.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15 March 2014 00:34, Stephen Scheidel
>>>>>>>>> <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You obviously didn't take in what I said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "certain things are on the very cusp of someone's ability to do
>>>>>>>>> and if you change the values even by one percent they drastically
>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>> that persons success rate by a lot more than one percent"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15 March 2014 00:31, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do think its harder or "different" atleast.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But its not lag. There are videos and people did proper
>>>>>>>>> documented tests with both T6 and TTT2(It was on TZ, think noodals or
>>>>>>>>> somebody well know did them aswell). There is only 1f more lag. It
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> make a minor difference but not to the extent that people are making
>>>>>>>>> it out
>>>>>>>>> to be.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only other explanation I can come up with is what Di is
>>>>>>>>> mentioning about the animation and motion blur or something stuff
>>>>>>>>> startup
>>>>>>>>> frames harder to see or whatnot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Im working a PCB.
>>>>>>>>> Hopefully the wait wont be too long
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 00:25:22 +0200
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: hi
>>>>>>>>> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Everyone is just tripping then hey ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm just saying it is harder now.
>>>>>>>>> Then I'll say some more reasonable stuff about how certain things
>>>>>>>>> are on the very cusp of someone's ability to do and if you change the
>>>>>>>>> values even by one percent they drastically change
>>>>>>>>> that persons success rate by a lot more than one percent.
>>>>>>>>> Then I realize that you just like to argue about stuff and I give
>>>>>>>>> up and say get a PCB because I've made something nice for you
>>>>>>>>> raasklaat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15 March 2014 00:17, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1(a single) extra frame of lag is fact
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If that suddenly makes throws unbreakable then the person could
>>>>>>>>> not break them to begin with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 12f to see the throw then 14-15f to break?
>>>>>>>>> If 1f of extra lag suddenly screws up the 26 frames you have to
>>>>>>>>> break throws then I dont know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lag is not the problem
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 00:02:43 +0200
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: hi
>>>>>>>>> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The extra Lag is a fact not a theory.
>>>>>>>>> Motion blur is not the problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm just talking about the added lag not how to play the game.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 14 March 2014 23:51, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Need to hit the arcade for some SF4 practice. :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 4:49 AM, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is true...but the Americans are bitching WAY too much...they
>>>>>>>>> refuse to learn the game properly. While guys like mainman are
>>>>>>>>> showing off
>>>>>>>>> their skills in combo vids...they main thing ppl need to learn in
>>>>>>>>> TTT2 is
>>>>>>>>> tagging...it is Tekken TAG tournament 2 after all. Shouldn't noob
>>>>>>>>> tag. Also
>>>>>>>>> mastering Tag Assault, when to use it, when not to use it. And
>>>>>>>>> lastly, not
>>>>>>>>> all combos should knock your opponent 500meters away...oki > 10dmg.
>>>>>>>>> Unless
>>>>>>>>> you're going to kill the character, oki is always a better choice.
>>>>>>>>> Keep
>>>>>>>>> them close, so if they noob tag. Free launch :) eg. like how you
>>>>>>>>> "stole" my
>>>>>>>>> Jaycee's Tag Crash bait with your lee ws 2,3...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You should adopt my way of throw breaking...throw them first.
>>>>>>>>> lolz. i must redeem my "throw king" name that the locals gave me back
>>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>> Been too kind...i throw so much that my brother learnt how to throw
>>>>>>>>> break
>>>>>>>>> by just playing against me...never practiced with AI or anyone else
>>>>>>>>> hahaha.
>>>>>>>>> Unbreakable throws would be cool haha my Lili will be top tier...SS
>>>>>>>>> 1+3 2+4
>>>>>>>>> XD
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't really feel the so call lag. However, some moves ARE
>>>>>>>>> harder to see (compare to BR) because they slightly added motion blur
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> attacks...eg. Dragunov's db+3, Feng's ss 4, etc. Usually the sweeps.
>>>>>>>>> Back
>>>>>>>>> in BR, Steve's db+2 is so seeable that it's useless. Now it's still
>>>>>>>>> seeable
>>>>>>>>> if you pay attention to it only. Unlike in BR where you're doing
>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>> then "oh here comes db+2"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Book is off to indonesia again :/ he's dueling with Yuu. This
>>>>>>>>> kid...crazy. He must return to bkk so i can rank and level up with
>>>>>>>>> him :P
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 4:10 AM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also Di ALOT are but not all americans are total idiots.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 14 March 2014 23:07, Stephen Scheidel
>>>>>>>>> <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry what I meant to say is that adding extra lag in to the game
>>>>>>>>> makes it much more fun and hopefully for the next game they add more
>>>>>>>>> lag so
>>>>>>>>> that the game has no possibility of true reaction.
>>>>>>>>> Maybe they should make all throws unbreakable so you just have to
>>>>>>>>> know and duck and also make all lows unseeable.
>>>>>>>>> Who want's to learn anyway,I'd rather just guess for everything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway enough trolling ~ the game at it's core is still good
>>>>>>>>> but they seem to mostly be making bad decisions with it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 14 March 2014 22:29, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Americans...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I like how every tekken player that gets interviewed feels exactly
>>>>>>>>> like I do about TTT2.
>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmTlktGHPIc
>>>>>>>>> Stupid fucking frame delay bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 14 March 2014 16:48, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's called Viper's Infinite Unblockable. There's no way to
>>>>>>>>> escape it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 4:42 PM, lindsey kiviets <
>>>>>>>>> lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Salie's viper is kuk man, he just spam whole day.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 16:21:45 +0200
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: hi
>>>>>>>>> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because Salie's Viper will just rape you and I'm not interested in
>>>>>>>>> hearing your excuses on why it went down like that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 14 March 2014 15:54, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ogrs why u no cme watch me poon fraud vipers?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:19:25 +0200
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: hi
>>>>>>>>> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> High score girl new USF4 character is just a palette swap of those
>>>>>>>>> two gremlins from SFxT ~ I called it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 14 March 2014 15:17, Stephen Scheidel
>>>>>>>>> <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nah I just got back from work and I'm still feeling a bit sick.
>>>>>>>>> I'm just gonna stay at home,sleep and watch FR this weekend.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 14 March 2014 14:41, Grei Botes <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stephen, you coming to the session tomorrow? Need some new games
>>>>>>>>> bro. Salie, stick of truth ISO pls and some mafia films if you have
>>>>>>>>> any.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lilan BowdenMore pulled it off though
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jdi0MWW-gw
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Grei Botes
>>>>>>>>> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just goes to show, you can't dress up as Chun Li and expect to be
>>>>>>>>> hot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK, apparently it's a character from the comic "High School Girl"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.capcom.co.jp/blog/sf4/img_upload/BcjeWMoCEAA_39h.jpg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR8rwLTlsuwzlYscwxq7BKxdNIfjORG92hG-QZr49z6HqZoayO-kA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who is the chick in this pic with Gief?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://p.twpl.jp/show/large/fl960
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's a USFIV Nesica Live card, so she has to have something to do
>>>>>>>>> with the game?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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