Re: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: Di Lhong <marongdin@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 18:03:02 +0200

"blocking requires 1f to transition to normal, except for reversals."

That might explain why my roll punished a -7 move...

Mileena's jabs are damn slow... 13frames for 1 and 9frames for 2?
NetherRealm pls. But then again, she have a 7frame roll launcher lolz

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Di Lhong <marongdin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

cancelling last recovery frame into block might explain why some of my
rolls aren't punishing -7 moves...but sometimes it does...

Tested with subz's slide which is 8frames. So some -7 DO get punished by
rolls but no slides (in case they frame data was wrong but it wasn't)

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>

Potentially safe blockstrings *lol*
On 21 Apr 2015 17:55, "Di Lhong" <marongdin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Why Mileena's Sai? :(

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>

I can confirm this. Tried punishing Mileena's Sai, which is -10 on
block, with a 10 frame move. Doesn't work.
On 21 Apr 2015 17:50, "Ilitirit Sama" <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I just read that you can cancel the last recovery frame into blocking,
and that blocking requires 1f to transition to normal, except for

So to punish a -10f move, you need a 8f normal, or a 9f reversal

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Di Lhong <marongdin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Oh, maybe that's the case...will have to test it out.

I'm assume you can because you can throw them during bad.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>

Eh... im fairly sure you cant throw jumping opponents.

You can throw juggled opponents tho.

Or I misunderstood something

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 17:26:35 +0200

Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
From: marongdin@xxxxxxxxx
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

- Will check trip guard.
- Tech throws = throw break? normal throws can be broken even in
combos. However, you have to guess which button i think in general for
throw break (like tekken). Either punches or kick.
- Will check cancel landing frames.
- Will check input buffer for landing frames. However you can input
buffer during block strings as reversals.

- You can throw opponent in the air. so pre-jump frames to avoid
jumps might not be work. But cross up works. They'll throw the direction
your character jump from (if they do the throw early). If they do the
late and your opponent's character register you're over them, they'll
around to throw on the right direction. Takes a few frames for them to
around if they hold block. But you can't attack from their behind. (i
it's for input purposes)
- you can't do tigerknee shortcuts for aerial moves. eg. old
mileena's airsai can be done by ub~f+1 or qcb~ub~f+1. Now it's jump
then bf+1. This is mileena's case, not sure about the rest. Also did
on pad. Not stick. There's an option you can input slide notation
of the df+2. with this option, doing df+2 won't do a fireball but qcf+2
-Will check on input buffer after jump cancel.
- I think input reverse do exist but haven't really see it yet. It
takes a few frames for the character to register if the opponent is
them. So if you did a fireball while Mileena teleports behind you. You
qcf+2 for fireball the wrong direction first before you get qcb+2.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>

My own personal check list for testing jumping mechanics:

- Does it have trip guard? If you do an empty jump can you block as
soon as you land, or does it have recovery?

- Can you tech throws as soon as you land from a jump? On empty and
non-empty jumps?

- Can you cancel landing frames ie. go from landing straight into
normal/special/block/jump. On empty and non-empty jumps?

- Do landing frames have an input buffer? If you press a button on
the first frame of landing vs last frame of landing, will the move come
on the first available frame?

- Do "fuzzies" exist? If you hit someone with a high-hitting attack
and then immediately with a jumping attack, will they get hit if they
crouch block, even if under normal circumstances the move will whiff?

- How many pre-jump frames are there? Can you get thrown out of
them? Can you cancel them into special moves? If it has throw
invulnerability, does cancelling them keep them keep the throw
invincibility? Test by doing QCF UF + button.

- Does landing from a jump cancel your input buffer? In other
words, can you jump, do QCF before you land, then press a button as you
land to get a special move?

- At which point does the game consider your inputs "reversed"? In
other words, if you jump over the opponent, then do QCB and a button,
is it
considered a QCF? Test with characters who have aerial moves.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Di Lhong <marongdin@xxxxxxxxx>

Not 100% on jumping distances. But hitboxes and walk/run speed is
unique to each character.

Will test it out a bit more. Some character's jump do have a float
like effect. Like Kung Jin's. Not sure if it's just aesthetic purposes
it does have actual properties.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>

What are the jumping distances and hitboxes like? In SF, characters
f.jump and b.jump distances are not the same. You can exploit this to
up magic jumps (empty jumps where you can confirm an opponent's action,
if they try to AA you it will whiff).

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx

Im fairlyt sure I have mentioned this earlier...

Characters have different hitboxes. So stuff hits differently.

Same with bigger characters its sometimes harder to jump over or run
under them.

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 15:43:11 +0200
Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
From: marongdin@xxxxxxxxx
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

i've come to notice that females have smaller hurtbox/height. Making
some combo or moves land harder...instant air sais will wiff easily on
girls -_-

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx

10000$ wtf
On 21 Apr 2015 15:26, "Ilitirit Sama" <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Super Santouraman (maybe 2nd best Sagat in Japan) is challenging
Luffy to a $10000 money match at Stun Fest.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>

Which game?

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 3:24 PM, lindsey kiviets <
lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I cant do in 720p :(

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 13:38:31 +0200
Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
From: ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Anything your heart desires. Even combos in 2D fighters like
Guardian Heroes, or silly stuff like Final Fight infinites. We should
standardise on certain things like resolution and quality. Preferably
nothing less than 720p.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <
nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

What you need?
I have a Potempkin Destroyed Combo
Quan-Chi's good-looking combo.
Some Jojo.
Ken's Rage...?

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>

Whose up for doing a CTS 2015 combo video?

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