Re: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:03:47 +0200

Damn. Yeah i also thought that Tiger is decent on it own. Dragon has some
okay stuff and Panther has the low or mid 2 that's all...

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Its great but that also kinda points out the problem.
>
> To get into Tiger(4th razor hit) you need razor CH or do delay
> shenanigans.  Would have been nice to be on enough plus to force the
> opponent to block the incoming mixup instead getting to bait retaliation.
>
> Tiger is not really a problem tho since its the most usefull stance imo.
> It actually has answers for whatever the opponent does.
> Snake can mostly handle itself as well.
>
> Panther and Dragon needs some help on their transitions.
>
>
> This is all talking about transitions on HIT.
>
> On blocked razor into Tiger lei is at -14.
> Other stance transitions from razor on block are all worse than -10 on
> block as well.
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:38:57 +0200
>
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> I saw a few Lei player then to go into Tiger after razor rush on hit and
> then hold back so you dash out of their range of their dick punch or their
> retaliation. That's where TGR 4 launches them. It's a weird set up but it
> works for those who are bad under pressure of razor rush and just think
> dick punch solves everything.
>
> Not sure if it'll work the same on block though.
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> On block I dont mind.
>
> They just need to buff the frames on hit.
>
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> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:13:03 +0200
>
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> I know they nerfed his razor rush a few times.
>
> It use to razor rush on block into stance and guess.
>
> Now razor rush on block into stance...dick punch/generic d+4 stops all.
> Lei's turn to guess...Unless his stances have hopkick...razor rush is not
> as strong as it used to be in old times. Also the razor rush sidestep into
> stances used to cover much more distance. I remember i could almost go into
> opponent's back if they do something linear or dick punch.
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  It wasn’t just his combo damage was it?
> I might be wrong, but didn’t they buff his damage for other moves? I’m
> thinking very specifically of raisin rush on CH.
>
> I think you just need to get off your lazy ass and learn how to do Lei’s
> punishment game properly.
>
>  *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 2:04 PM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>  The problem is once he loses his damage(Im fairly sure hes not going to
> keep it) he going to be below average again unless his actual moves are
> improved.
>
> Trackings/Frames or otherwise
>  ------------------------------
>  From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:52:15 +0000
>  Paul’s d+1 doesn’t track all that well. Generally you are forced to use
> it because it’s his only fast-ish mid. He doesn’t have a generic df+1. You
> have df+2 at 15f, but that’s punishable.
> Meh, as Steve said, we’ve had these discussions before and they go round
> and round. Paul doesn’t need better tracking. He’s got his good punishment,
> nice wall game and good mid range moves. What he lacks is tracking or any
> sort of plus on block/ rush down game. If they give those to him, well then
> he jumps a bit in the tier list. Would I like those added? Sure. Is it a
> major issue not having them? Not really.
>
> Lei doesn’t need trackers. He has enough other tools. Are they good enough
> to make him top tier? Hell no. Is he still playable? Sure.
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 1:44 PM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>  Paul's d+1 tracks really well. He also have a generic db+4.
>  Sure it's not as damaging as some homing move. But they're pokes that is
> fast and stops your opponent from walking around freely. And on hit, it
> puts you back to "your" game. Instead of defending and waiting to land a
> b+2 homing.
>
>  On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  what does paul get off his Tracker on hit/CH?
>
> I think Lei's is 1f slower(24f) with absolutely zero reward because he is
> forced to taunt.
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>  From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:35:24 +0000
>
>  Sure, while you’re at it, why not give Paul a tracker that’s under 25f
> as well.
>
>  *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 1:33 PM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>  Or make 1+2 track.
>
> Its high so can be ducked and stuff
>  ------------------------------
>  Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:27:31 +0200
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>   Without ff+3...Lei has df+3 which is bad...especially on hit XD
>  If they just make ff+3 a homing move, i wouldn't mind that. It's the
> fact it's not and we keep thinking we can step it...
>  If they make Lei like Brad Wong. I'm quitting. That drunken BS is too
> fluid with no space for interruption between stance transition.
>
>  On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  Dude ff+3 has stupid tracking.
>  Lei will track fine without it doing both sides track.
>
>
>  On 19 February 2015 at 13:21, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Lei's options getting stepped is already his a major weakness he has.
>
> He cant punish stepping properly and his trackers are ass.
>
> Its not even like ff+3 tracks properly either(And im fairly sure its only
> to one side).  Cant decide to ff+3 because I think the opponent is going to
> step.
>
> Lei is no better gameplay wise than he was in T6.  His damage boost is the
> only reason hes considered High in TTT2.
>
> Nerfing his tracking is the very last thing Lei needs.
>  ------------------------------
>  Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:14:29 +0200
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>  I would just make ff+3 a bit more linear ~ able to walk it to one side
> or something.
>  Most of the tier list I've seen for TTT2 put him quite high.
>
>  ...............There is nothing new we could discuss about Lei, we
> always bitch about him.
>
>  On 19 February 2015 at 11:45, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Spam raisin rush. You don’t need anything else.
>
> I wonder what they’ve done about Lei’s combo damage. Just that isn’t
> enough to help a character. Hwo always has high combo damage, but lacks the
> other tools to make him top tier. Lei, however, also has good punishment
> and average pokes.
>
> Got to say that I don’t think Lei is a particularly low character. I’d put
> him happily mid – probably below Paul though.
>
>  *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 11:38 AM
>
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>  lol
>
> They could...  but then hes going to need major buffs in order to compete.
>  ------------------------------
>  Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:34:12 +0200
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  Remove ff+3.
>
>  On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  His "poking" and non gimmicky stance game is not great.  If you remove
> the shenanigans hes a below average character.
>
> So if they remove half his moves.  Ie less gimmicks he needs stronger
> tools to play a more normal game.
>
>
> He got a big damage buff in TTT2 but they didnt fix any of the core
> problems with his moves sadly.
>  ------------------------------
>  From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:25:30 +0000
>
>  Lei needs buffs? LOL!
> Good one Paas. I need that.
>
>  *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 11:12 AM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>  They could pretty much dump half of Lei's movelist but then they would
> have to buff the rest of his stuff.
>
> Currently he has boatload of very situational moves combined with some
> that are just straight up bad.
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>  Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:02:06 +0200
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>   Lei and Capo lolz They need to remove some of their stuff and update
> them properly.
>  Zafina might have a large move list. But all her moves are decent and
> useful.
>  I wouldn't mind if they do a total revamp like they did for SC5. Maybe
> the series needs it. But keep some of the original cast and strong point of
> Tekken.
>  Lucky Chloe moves are basically Capo Light. The same but doesn't
> knockdown lolz. She have a slippery kick that doesn't knock down and looks
> punishable as hell. On hit doesn't stagger or give much frames either T_T
>
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