Re: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:47:14 +0200

Melinda Gates (Bill Gates' wife) wrote an interesting piece about something
related to this.  Basically, where infant mortality is high, people have
more kids.  So, if you prevent kids from dying, they have fewer of them.

3. Saving Lives Leads to Overpopulation
> For more than two centuries, people have worried about doomsday scenarios
> in which food supply can’t keep up with population growth. But this anxiety
> has a dangerous tendency to override concern for the humans who make up
> that population. Letting children die now so they don’t starve later isn’t
> just heartless — it doesn’t work. And countries with the highest death
> rates are among the fastest-growing populations in the world: Women there
> tend to have the most births.
>


> When more children survive, parents decide to have smaller families.
> Consider Thailand. Around 1960, child mortality rates started going down.
> In the 1970s, after the government invested in a family-planning program,
> birthrates started to drop. Over two decades, Thai women went from having
> six children on average to two. Today, child mortality rates there are
> almost as low as they are in America, and Thai women have an average of 1.6
> children.
>


> This pattern of falling death rates followed by falling birthrates applies
> for most of the world. Saving lives doesn’t lead to overpopulation — just
> the opposite. Creating societies where people enjoy health, prosperity,
> fundamental equality, and access to contraceptives is the only way to a
> sustainable world.
> More people, especially political leaders, need to know about the
> misconceptions behind these myths. Contributions to promote international
> health and development offer an astonishing return. We all have the chance
> to create a world where extreme poverty is the exception rather than the
> rule and where all children have the chance to thrive. For those of us who
> believe in the value of every human life, there isn’t any more inspiring
> work under way today.


http://www.rd.com/culture/bill-and-melinda-gates-poor-myths/

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  Nah, you’re following the wrong path there. Countries with stable
> economies have stable/declining populations. This is most evident with the
> old European countries. I think France has the issue, but I’m not sure.
> Germany definitely does. Their lack of population growth is a problem for
> the country. They are still blowing government money on infrastructure for
> an expected population that will never arrive. That’s why they’re so happy
> to take the Turkish migrant labour. They need it.
>
>
>
> A stable population is massively hard to get right. Mainly you will grow
> or decline. The latter is a huge issue. It will cause contractions in the
> economy. It also means that the old people in the country are screwed.
> Medical aids, pensions, all the financial products like that are built on
> the idea of the young healthy people subsidising the old.
>
>
>
> Anyways, population dynamics isn’t a simple thing. Also, I dunno why I’m
> arguing this. It’s not like you’ve given a reason why an increasing
> population is a problem.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel
> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:20 PM
>
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Countries with stable populations usually have stable economies or
> whatever it is that allows them to be be happy.
>
> I know the tax in most of these countries is very very high but it's fine
> because everyone receiving is also paying.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 15:15, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  I tend to agree - I think the bigger issue has got to do with resource
> distribution. People tend to want more than what they really need.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Huh?
>
> Too many for what? There is enough space for people to live, more than
> enough food for the whole planet.
>
> Sure there are lots of issues in the world but overpopulation isn’t
> actually one of them.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel
> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:00 PM
>
>
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Almost every problem we have as people here on on earth is that there are
> just too many of us.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 14:57, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> Just wrote 4 paragraphs of my thoughts on racism and then deleted it.
>
> Fuck politics.
>
> On 16 Feb 2015 14:49, "Ashraf Barendse" <ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>   Damn Japs, why they gotta be racist. Slanty-eyed rice eaters.
>
> :P
>
> HBD Jag.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Yeah. It's not they discriminate and treat you differently. If you're
> whatever race and you go to japan. They treat you nicely. It's just the
> idea of sharing their environment with people they don't know or foreigners.
>
>
>
> Also a lot of issue started when Japan allowed thailand to travel to japan
> by getting a tourist visa on arrival...A LOT of illegal immigrants went in
> to Japan. I think at least 6,000 in the first 3 months. And the thai
> tourist are very loud and dirty...throwing shit everywhere, not lining up,
> etc. Fuelling the japanese xenophobia even more.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  Well there is a difference between pride and hating others.
>
> I get what Di is saying though ~ basically it's not so much that they hate
> other people (they obviously do to some extent) but more that they just
> want to be around their own kind.
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 14:36, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Pride?
>
> It’s not pride behind racism. It’s hate.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 2:31 PM
>
>
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Well, asians are pretty racist and xenophobic...so i'm not too surprise
> they wrote something like that. They're pretty racist and xenophobic among
> themselves too. Chinese vs Japanese. Thai vs everyone else. Etc. Too much
> pride in their own race and country.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  I think it was on some comedy show I was watching where the guy covers
> some similar stuff.
>
> Some old sports team owner was caught saying something racist and there
> was a big stink.
>
> What the fuck do they expect ? the parents of Americans who are 80+ now
> where the generation that finished off the Native american holocaust ffs.
>
>
>
> It just sucks when these old geezers still have some power in the world
> and you can't just wheel them down the hallway like crazy old grandma.
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 14:21, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  Forced segregation is a shit idea and never works.
>
> I hope nobody is too surprised by this Japanese womans' ideas.
>
> Keep in mind she was 8 years old when the Americans dropped the bombs on
> them.
>
> She is 83 now.
>
> To expect anything but racism and xenophobia out of her is a bit much.
>
>
>
> It's all super wrong but we just shouldn't be surprised.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 14:08, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  HBD Jagson.
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 13:46, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Yeah, read about this earlier. How fucked up can you get.
>
> On 16 Feb 2015 13:04, "Manase Zote" <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Japan please...
>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11414141/Japanese-author-provokes-furious-South-African-response-by-suggesting-a-new-apartheid.html
>
> On 16 Feb 2015 12:53, "Moshe Shevel" <jaguguarang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Haha thanks guys :)
>
> On 16 Feb 2015 12:47 PM, "Sameegh Jardine" <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Happy Birthday Jag, hope you have an awesome one :]
>
>
> On 16 Feb 2015, at 12:41 PM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Oh, nice one Ilit. You couldn’t have posted that first thing this
> morning, could you? So we’re now all the schmucks who didn’t realise it was
> his birthday.
>
>
>
> In other news, HDB Jag.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Ilitirit Sama
> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 12:37 PM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> HBD Jag!
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