Dear Maria and All,
On further reflection there is indeed a potential problem with
representing. In my experience this is predicated on the style and
disposition of the facilitator. In some workshops I have witnessed
representatives not being afforded due care, space and time to deal
adequately with the issues triggered in them. It is still common practice
to charge a lesser fee for those representing, with the almost inevitable
second class treatment.
I have also witnessed refreshing workshops where this artificial
differentiation between participants is fundamentally absent, and the
facilitator moves with the energy of the entire field.
Best wishes to all,
Robert
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Maria Goossens
<goossens.maria@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
Dear all,
I think there is an essential difference between patients (f.e. the
prostate cancer patients from Dan, my own patients) and clients. Patients
don't have the same supportive force, feel themselves vulnerable, are in
the workshop because they have a hard background, ... So, sometimes, there
is no energy left to do something for someone else, to be a representative.
They have difficult to survive themselves.
On my initial question, I received several inspiring answers for which I'm
grateful to every one that took the time to answer.
If I have to reformulate it for myself I should say:
Every time I'm a representative, there is a small part of me that resonate
with the person I'm representing. This small resonating part of me gets the
possibility to heal during the constellation because emotional or/and
physical pain is turned in supportive energy and entanglement makes place
for inner space.
Mieke
Maria Goossens, MD
www.dokter-goossens.be
goossens.maria@xxxxxxxxxx
Op 26 jan 2014, om 18:16 heeft sheila saunders het volgende geschreven:
I'm with you and Heike, Chris. In 12 years of facilitating, I have had
only one person refuse to represent, defining herself as a recovering
co-dependent and "not going to take care of anyone else anymore".
Otherwise, other participants have all been willing. Everyone represents
for their first time, and I do give some explanation about the parallel
processes that go on inside when you are representing (your own, and that
of the person or thing you are representing) - this seems to help
first-timers to organize their experience and behavior more effectively in
the constellation.
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 26, 2014, at 7:30, "Chris Walsh" <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I agree Heike,
In my workshops & all the workshops and trainings I have attended, the
majority of people are actually keen to represent. While I believe the
reluctance and fear does exist, I also think it has been overstated in some
of the posts over the last few days
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Heiki Eesmaa <heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
Very interesting thread! I didn't even realize so many people had some
adversity towards representing, somehow it hasn't ever been a problem.
Even contrary to adversity, much of the times even people without
training in energy work experience strong vital energy movements. Movements
of the Soul can be quite similar to Spontaneous Movement Qigong.
all the best
Heiki
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:48 PM, Janice Crawford <
jcrawford4000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I particularly liked Chris's suggestion. And in terms of anything
additional, it of course so much depends on what one sensed as a possible
form of defense against natural movements of love and service within this
person. For example, I wonder whether this client is someone with whom one
might go a bit scientific/logical? Perhaps speaking generally to those in
the group who might be having difficulty with understanding
representing (vs. focused on him) about empathy to both pain and pleasure
being a naturally occurring quality in infants - motor neurons, etc.,- that
is too often injured by adulthood in many of us. One might then gently
question whether it would it be worth it to feel some temporary discomfort
as a representative if it also helps us more pleasurably feel our own and
others joy?
All the best from my igloo in New York City,
Jan Crawford
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Dan Booth Cohen, PhD <
danboothcohen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Meike –
In my experience, very few people are willing to offer themselves to go
through the pain of another person. I agree with the responses you
received, especially Sheila’s and Zaquie’s. That is why I am always willing
to represent. However, for most people, it is not something they want to
do. For me, a good day is when I can stand as a women’s sexually abusive
grandfather, then as another women’s kidney disease, and finally represent
a man whose children won’t speak to him. It heals and enriches me. …And,
it’s not to everyone’s taste.
When I was in Norway this fall, I worked with a group of older men with
prostate cancer. The concept of standing in representation and allowing
another man’s hidden family soul to fill their awareness was entirely
foreign to them. They found the suggestion inappropriate and distasteful.
Who is this crazy doctor from America and what he is asking us to do?
The answer I have found is that very few people want to offer
themselves in this way. This is why I prefer to do personal Constellations
in a 2-way or 3-way format. When I work with groups, my preference is that
those who attend are coming for a group experience built on ceremony and
conceptual Constellations.
Dan
*From:* ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Maria Goossens
*Sent:* Saturday, January 25, 2014 5:47 AM
*To:* constellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [ConstellationTalk] suffering from representatives
Hi,
One of my patients looked from the outside of the circle to a
constellation and wondered why representatives offer themselves to go
through the pain of another patient. I couldn't give a right answer. Six
days later he repeats this same question. Again, I wasn't able to answer
correctly.
Has anyone an answer on this question ?
Thanks,
Mieke
Maria Goossens, MD
www.dokter-goossens.be
goossens.maria@xxxxxxxxxx
