I'm with you and Heike, Chris. In 12 years of facilitating, I have had only one
person refuse to represent, defining herself as a recovering co-dependent and
"not going to take care of anyone else anymore". Otherwise, other participants
have all been willing. Everyone represents for their first time, and I do give
some explanation about the parallel processes that go on inside when you are
representing (your own, and that of the person or thing you are representing) -
this seems to help first-timers to organize their experience and behavior more
effectively in the constellation.
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 26, 2014, at 7:30, "Chris Walsh" <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I agree Heike,
In my workshops & all the workshops and trainings I have attended, the
majority of people are actually keen to represent. While I believe the
reluctance and fear does exist, I also think it has been overstated in some
of the posts over the last few days
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Heiki Eesmaa <heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Very interesting thread! I didn't even realize so many people had some
adversity towards representing, somehow it hasn't ever been a problem.
Even contrary to adversity, much of the times even people without training
in energy work experience strong vital energy movements. Movements of the
Soul can be quite similar to Spontaneous Movement Qigong.
all the best
Heiki
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:48 PM, Janice Crawford <jcrawford4000@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I particularly liked Chris's suggestion. And in terms of anything
additional, it of course so much depends on what one sensed as a possible
form of defense against natural movements of love and service within this
person. For example, I wonder whether this client is someone with whom one
might go a bit scientific/logical? Perhaps speaking generally to those in
the group who might be having difficulty with understanding representing
(vs. focused on him) about empathy to both pain and pleasure being a
naturally occurring quality in infants - motor neurons, etc.,- that is too
often injured by adulthood in many of us. One might then gently question
whether it would it be worth it to feel some temporary discomfort as a
representative if it also helps us more pleasurably feel our own and others
joy?
All the best from my igloo in New York City,
Jan Crawford
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Dan Booth Cohen, PhD
<danboothcohen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Meike –
In my experience, very few people are willing to offer themselves to go
through the pain of another person. I agree with the responses you
received, especially Sheila’s and Zaquie’s. That is why I am always
willing to represent. However, for most people, it is not something they
want to do. For me, a good day is when I can stand as a women’s sexually
abusive grandfather, then as another women’s kidney disease, and finally
represent a man whose children won’t speak to him. It heals and enriches
me. …And, it’s not to everyone’s taste.
When I was in Norway this fall, I worked with a group of older men with
prostate cancer. The concept of standing in representation and allowing
another man’s hidden family soul to fill their awareness was entirely
foreign to them. They found the suggestion inappropriate and distasteful.
Who is this crazy doctor from America and what he is asking us to do?
The answer I have found is that very few people want to offer themselves
in this way. This is why I prefer to do personal Constellations in a 2-way
or 3-way format. When I work with groups, my preference is that those who
attend are coming for a group experience built on ceremony and conceptual
Constellations.
Dan
From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Maria Goossens
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 5:47 AM
To: constellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] suffering from representatives
Hi,
One of my patients looked from the outside of the circle to a
constellation and wondered why representatives offer themselves to go
through the pain of another patient. I couldn't give a right answer. Six
days later he repeats this same question. Again, I wasn't able to answer
correctly.
Has anyone an answer on this question ?
Thanks,
Mieke
Maria Goossens, MD
www.dokter-goossens.be
goossens.maria@xxxxxxxxxx
