Hi All,
I agree with Chris, in all my workshops and trainings, people are willing to
represent. And those who at the beginning were a little tentative, jumped in
before the end of the workshop.
Perhaps like Dan suggested with his experience in Norway, this patient, after
witnessing the constellation and the representing, bumped up against some deep
cultural ethos the engendered the question, "why representatives offer
themselves to go through the pain of another patient?" Perhaps "offering
yourself" does not fit with his past, his history or his culture.
I am curious though as to your experience Mieke with the question.
Happy Sunday!
On Jan 26, 2014, at 7:30 AM, Chris Walsh wrote:
I agree Heike,
In my workshops & all the workshops and trainings I have attended, the majority
of people are actually keen to represent. While I believe the reluctance and
fear does exist, I also think it has been overstated in some of the posts over
the last few days
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Heiki Eesmaa <heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Very interesting thread! I didn't even realize so many people had some
adversity towards representing, somehow it hasn't ever been a problem.
Even contrary to adversity, much of the times even people without training in
energy work experience strong vital energy movements. Movements of the Soul can
be quite similar to Spontaneous Movement Qigong.
all the best
Heiki
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:48 PM, Janice Crawford <jcrawford4000@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I particularly liked Chris's suggestion. And in terms of anything additional,
it of course so much depends on what one sensed as a possible form of defense
against natural movements of love and service within this person. For example,
I wonder whether this client is someone with whom one might go a bit
scientific/logical? Perhaps speaking generally to those in the group who might
be having difficulty with understanding representing (vs. focused on him) about
empathy to both pain and pleasure being a naturally occurring quality in
infants - motor neurons, etc.,- that is too often injured by adulthood in many
of us. One might then gently question whether it would it be worth it to feel
some temporary discomfort as a representative if it also helps us more
pleasurably feel our own and others joy?
All the best from my igloo in New York City,
Jan Crawford
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Dan Booth Cohen, PhD <danboothcohen@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dear Meike –
In my experience, very few people are willing to offer themselves to go through
the pain of another person. I agree with the responses you received, especially
Sheila’s and Zaquie’s. That is why I am always willing to represent. However,
for most people, it is not something they want to do. For me, a good day is
when I can stand as a women’s sexually abusive grandfather, then as another
women’s kidney disease, and finally represent a man whose children won’t speak
to him. It heals and enriches me. …And, it’s not to everyone’s taste.
When I was in Norway this fall, I worked with a group of older men with
prostate cancer. The concept of standing in representation and allowing another
man’s hidden family soul to fill their awareness was entirely foreign to them.
They found the suggestion inappropriate and distasteful. Who is this crazy
doctor from America and what he is asking us to do?
The answer I have found is that very few people want to offer themselves in
this way. This is why I prefer to do personal Constellations in a 2-way or
3-way format. When I work with groups, my preference is that those who attend
are coming for a group experience built on ceremony and conceptual
Constellations.
Dan
From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Maria Goossens
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 5:47 AM
To: constellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] suffering from representatives
Hi,
One of my patients looked from the outside of the circle to a constellation and
wondered why representatives offer themselves to go through the pain of another
patient. I couldn't give a right answer. Six days later he repeats this same
question. Again, I wasn't able to answer correctly.
Has anyone an answer on this question ?
Thanks,
Mieke
Maria Goossens, MD
www.dokter-goossens.be
goossens.maria@xxxxxxxxxx
