Hi Robert and all:
What I wonder is what processes or resources could serve as a support or
context for such an exploration?
Because as Maria notes, all of us, even while attempting to honor the space
for inclusion have our own personal exclusions, limits, ego drives, and
needs that may mitigate against our capacities to be fully inclusive.
And there may be systemic exclusions embedded in constellation work. In
particular, the reliance on constellation work as the only or most effective
group process for addressing the issues Steve describes in itself functions
as an exclusion of other beneficial resources. A variety of reasons, both
healing and practical may lead practitioners to deploy this or any other
chosen modality. But the special status we accord constellation work may
block the ability or permission to perceive inherent limitations of the
approach and to address them.
As such, instead of bringing all resources to bear on the issue that Steve
raised, what can occur is a subtle loyalty and appeal to group solidarity,
along with a reaffirmation of professional efficacy. Energetically, the
focus shifts from the issue to the form itself (or the practitioner). That
is why I ask what other processes could be useful here? I would expect that
someone is this wide net of practitioners would have helpful suggestions.
Best,
Alison
On 1/23/14 7:51 AM, "Robert Grant" <erebees@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
be
"Theorizing can be a rather weak way to get there."
Hello Heiki and All,
Being myself of a somewhat critical and judgemental disposition I tend to
agree with you. Yet I felt it appropriate to first make some attempt at
establishing ground rules and establishing whether there is a willingness to
explore the issue Vinay has raised.
Powerlessness in itself and certainly in the face of non negotiable exclusion
is a wonderful topic to explore - if there is willingness to do so. Of course
here on this forum we are all reasonable people. Yet I found it is the
unreasonable reaction that may hold the key to deeper levels of awareness.
So we need to know is it ok within the confines of a specific agreement to be
unreasonable in our expressions. And as stated before who would hold the
space, if anyone? You see I felt Vinay opened the issue for exploration but
will we follow it up?
Best wishes,
Robert
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Heiki Eesmaa <heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
It seems to me that it is not an abstract discussion all but the
relevant part of the OP is this:
"I certainly felt impacted by it, and somewhat powerless in the face
being excluded without any possibility of discussion."
Might be you just want to change state? Theorizing can be a rather
weak way to get there.
all the best
Heiki
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Robert Grant <erebees@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Vinay,flow.
I'd like to say that in my experience holding a strong, aware and
benevolent space or container to explore sensitive issues is indispensable
for useful resolutions and reconciliation to emerge. Do we have such a
container here? If we do than resentment, blame, hurt and healing can
What is the actual mechanism to hold such a space on this forum? Who are
the people that will facilitate the interaction? It would be great to
experiment. Further I feel this could open up a real possibility for
learning and advancement.
Best wishes,
Robert
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Steve Vinay Gunther
<spirited@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
I am writing about a topic that¹s a little difficult.
In the constellation ethos, exclusion is understood, generally, to be a
source of entanglements.
One of the things I have really valued about the constellation community
itself is the degree of inclusiveness that is widely exhibited. So many
different facilitators, with their different styles, yet there seems to
isa general ability to get along. This open, field-oriented inclusiveness
apartsomething I find a bit special, and sets the constellation community
dialoguein my experience.
However, recently I was dismayed to find an unmistakable example of
exclusion on the peer level in one area of the constellation community.
This experience was rapidly and clearly confirmed, and the gate to
holdwas shut down completely.
Now, in the realm of human experience, people engage in all sorts of
behaviours, for their own reasons, and obviously influenced by their own
field. But I thought to raise it, as perhaps its a difficult thing to
discuss exclusionary behaviour within our own community, by people who
beingcertain positions, in roles of some power and influence.
I certainly felt impacted by it, and somewhat powerless in the face
e spirited@xxxxxxxxxxxxexcluded without any possibility of discussion.
I am interested in other¹s reflections on this issue. I guess that given
the high valance given to the topic, somewhere it will form a disowned
shadow.
Vinay
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