Hi all,
Those strange diseases....
Of course working with those persons implies other knowledges. I
recently accept that a yong man with such a diagnostic participate to
one seminar.
As he comes in therapy since a certain time, and I could feel it
could help, I accept.
The other reason of my acceptation: my seminaries are always followed
by people very open and also following formations in diverses
directions (e.a in constellations)). And so, I could benefit from
support if something happens.
The last reason is what you speak abour Galina. I followed two years
ago the formation of Eric Pearl (the reconection®). Since than, my
seminaries were completly different. The informations come very
easily... and many transformations and results occur (even if it was
already the case, now most results occur in the following days what
is very short!)
To come back to this young man. Since the first constellation, he had
troubles to accept the move of energies in the room: it was hard for
him. I asked one of my liable participant to remain by him and make
anchorage for him. With good results. But, one must be aware, it is
not easy to lead a constellation AND to pay attention to one person
who could suddenly make a crisis. It demands much energy.
After the first constellation, something relaxed in him. And since
the third, he began to be representant. With a high level of
compassion and love for the group. Tremendous.
For himself, he came because of his state of health and also to
understand why his relation to her friend could not become concrete
(imposssibility to live together).
After that day, I took the time for him. To be certain he didn't take
on him things that didn't belong him. And also discussed the
different constellations so he could understant precisely what happened.
It was a strange day. For me and for other persons in the groupe. For
instance, he couldn't take back all the things that were represented
in his system. So I took them on me and could give him back two days
later when he came back in therapy. But for the representant, it was
not easy to accept. And I have also to work with that woman in the
objective she didn't stop the constellation movement.
The result of all this, is a young man who can now live with the
woman he loves and her young boy. and be happy.
Fine.
Another time, with a women that have psychiatric disorder, I place a
representative for all the parts of the brain implied in the
phenomenon. Effectively, there was no longer cooperation between
certain parts. Other were waiting.... I place somebody for the
natural fonction of brain. It was like a manual. And with the time,
all parts began to work again and collaborate.
Directly she felt much better. I saw her a few weeks later. Her
psychiatric disorder had totally disappear and she begans a new life
as she said. Now she begins to help her children to heal.
Have a great day
Joaline
Le 13-juil.-10 à 05:37, Dee Yoh a écrit :
Core Essence constellations deal with the inner aspects of the
soul. The typical model works with the mental, physical, spiritual
and emotional bodies of the client, moving towards balance... when
using this model instead of those aspect, I use the personalities
of the person and look for movements of integration. It is similar
to working with the inner victim/perpetrator of the soul of the
individual. Where the family constellations work with relatives
outside the person (typically), this work deals with the internal
aspects of the individual soul. It is critical to do the outer work
first, otherwise the outside issues will still remain and stop the
movement of healing until that is first resolved.
From: Patricio Asenjo
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 7:47 PM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Constellations and schizophrenia.
What do you mean by Core Essence constellation?
________________________________
From: Dee Yoh <deeyoh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 7:25:17 PM
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Constellations and schizophrenia.
I believe there are times people are diagnosed with schizophrenia
when they are
actually experiencing an attached entity. That can be taken care of
through this
work if the facilitator knows how to work with that and the client
is ready to
let go of it. I use VoiceBio Analysis to help me determine which it
is so I can
determine how to work with it. In working with schizophrenia, after a
traditional constellation I do a Core Essence constellation to
assist in
integration of the parts. I would hesitate to say the work "cured"
anyone
however I have seen dramatic improvement.
From: ed lynch
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 4:33 PM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Constellations and schizophrenia.
Dear All,
I seriously doubt that systemic constellations heal or cure a clearly
diagnosed schizophrenia
Ed Lynch
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:13 PM, <jprincipe@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear all:(and soul)
I'm agree with Carloyn about the care we must to keep in mind
working with "mental diseases".I've heard
Sometime -in the middle of my training to become a Facilitator-
a very experienced Facilitator from Argentina something like:"Hellinger
comes and choose a person with schizophrenia because he isHellinger and he
can do it; but when the seminar ends, we have to deal withcomsequences in
the system of pacients without family support"teachers on CT.
Warmly,
Julio
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Carolyn Zahner" <cpzahner@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sender: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:00:25
To: <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Constellations and schizophrenia.
Dear Galina et all,
Thank you for this thread. I am very grateful to the many
with
I am a psychotherapist from Cincinnati, Ohio, USA. I have worked
people displaying psychotic features (hallucinations and/ordelusions) and
their families for 30 years. I have always worked from a systemicapproach
and have been applying Systemic Constellation Work (individualand group) to
my work for about 7 years. I am very careful about whether or notI allow
the psychotic individual to participate in a group. I only allowthought and is
participation if the person is exhibiting strong organized
well grounded in consensus reality at the time. Additionally,they have to
have strong family support and safety. The family members must beinvolved
and understand the process.4 years.
I have been working with a family (father, mother, daughter) for
At the time I became involved, both the 72 year old mother, andthe 49
years old daughter were severely mentally ill. Both were druggedinto
non-functional stupor in efforts to hold their hallucinations atbay. The
mother had just recently been hospitalized. The 74 father, the totalconstellation was
caretaker of both his wife and daughter, was ready to collapse.
Over the past 4 years, they have attended a group where a
set up for them. Another time, per their request, we did aconstellation in
group on their behalf (they were not present). I also had theopportunity to
take their case into supervision at Bernreid '06. Profoundmovement has
occurred following each piece of work. I have also usedconstellation in the
individual setting, most often with mother and father togetherand daughter
individually. The group work and the individual work continuallyinform and
unfold in a complementary and progressive manner.They are
Both mother and daughter have made extraordinary improvements.
now on very little medication. The 53 year old daughter hasrecently moved
out of her parents' home for the first time, is holding a fulltime job and
participating in a CET (cognitive enhancement therapy) program to"wake up"
her mental functioning again. The 76 year old mother is takingart classes
and even showing and selling her work, as well as, taking ThaiChi. Both
are doing extremely well. The father has also manifested extremechange
regarding his participation in this system.place and
I experience Constellations as one way to offer a space in which the
alternative reality of the psychotic individual can find its
meaning within the consensus reality of the family (and culture).Entering
a space where all realities are able to exist can result in afamily soul
giving its permission for movement to ease the suffering. From asystemic
approach, I ask:and the
1. How are the psychotic features trying to aid the individual
system to which s/he belongs?manifestations to
2. How can the individual and/or family move to allow the
be experienced in different form, integrated and/or released?within
Like dreams, we can find the wisdom in the images and experiences
the alternate reality of the psychotic experience and how theyconnect to
the consensus reality of the family/culture.wisdom and
As in all approaches, including Constellation Work, the deeper
process of the individual and the family soul determines howmuch, if any
"improvement" occurs. From what I have experienced,Constellations can be
an invaluable tool in restoring healthful functioning to thepsycchotic
individual and/or increasing peace and understanding for thefamily members.
mother(50
Best Regards,
Carolyn Zahner
Carolyn Zahner, MSW, LISW, Inc
513-697-0260
www.carolynzahner.com
11223 Cornell Park Drive, Suite 402
Cincinnati, Ohio 45242
----- Original Message -----
From: ion bucur
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 3:02 AM
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Constellations and schizophrenia.
Hi Galina,
I have participated to several workshops where a schizophrenic
years old) and her sun were participating too. After twoworkshops no
improvement were evident, except the fact that after the firsttime, when
she could not do any work at all, was very closed, in the second wasafter it
designated to represent somebody s wife. In the constellation and
she behave like a schizophrenic, without being able to makedistinction
between contellation and the real situation, between her and herrole. It
seemed that the things got worse.involved her sun
But, after the third workshop, which lasted one week, and
and her daughter in law, the very spectacular improvementappeared. She
became communicative, open and for the first time after one yearshe was
smiling and she was adequate. For the people that had known her,and knew
how is schizophrenia perceived in psychiatry, this was like amiracle.
What happened in that workshop? When she worked, the facilitatorasked her
to choose 15 participants to represent her ancestors(She did notknow
anything about a murder or something like that in her family. Ifsomething
occured it was totaly covered, secret). She asked her ancestorsfor help,
honoured them, and some of them react very clear and strong.experience a
In that night we saw her for the first time smiling, and we
strong feeling of humble.schizophrenia.
When I remember that I feel the same, I feel humbling.
Ion Bucur
Consultant
Signum Artis
--- On Sat, 7/10/10, Stephen Campbell <coachuno@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Stephen Campbell <coachuno@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Constellations and schizophrenia.
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 1:37 AM
Galina,
I have worked and participated in constellations involving
One of the most memorable was one in which I represented the youngreported
schizophrenic. Several months later I ran into his mother and she
significant improvement. A little over a year and half after theWhen we
Constellation a young man called to make an appointment with me.
metyoung
in my offices and in the brief interview I realized this was the
manof the
that I had represented and I can report that he has no vestiges
condition. I am not a psychiatrist; but, I have had considerableschizophrenic. He
experience
working with mental conditions and working with him on life and work
issues
I am clear that his current behaviors are not that of a
subsequently mentioned that he has gotten a clean bill of healthfrom
licensed professionals.schizophrenics what I
Having facilitated several constellations involving
have learned is that the schizophrenic is entangled with a murderthat
occurred between 4-7 generations back and the schizophrenicrepresents the
two excluded persons: the perpetrator and the victim.experience working
Trust this information is of use to you.
Fondly,
Stephen
STEPHEN CAMPBELL
SYSTEMIC CONSTELLATION FACILITATOR / CONSTELADOR SISTÉMICO
MA, R.SC.P., MPNLP (HEALTH), ND (CANDIDATE)
904.430.0248
213-985-2368
51.1.447.6652
51.1.995.512.315
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On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:33, Galina Thomas <galinat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi, everybody,
I have a question about schizophrenia. Has anyone had
his/herwith schizophrenia (especially not directly with a patient, but
07/10/10relatives). Are there known cases of improvement as a result of
Constellations?
Thank you for any information!
Galina Thomas
MFT Trainee, Los Angeles, California
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