Most machines now out of the box have the restore partition, some have a program to make your own restore or XP cd from an image - a lot like the 286 and 386 era when they (mostly Packard Bell then) told you to run a batch file with 12 or so floppies to make a restore set before getting into use of the machine - no one ever did or they lost/damaged the floppies and were unable to restore anyway. Even some white box builders are imaging the OS int he partition and including a CD burner and putting a sticker on that you have to have X number of 700 mb CDR disks to make a restoration set. I think if it has a valid COA, printed EULA and you paid for the machine with an OS that a factory MS CD is in order to be included, plus installation CDs for the bundled software -----Original Message----- From: computertalkshop-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:computertalkshop-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Hal Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:22 AM To: computertalkshop@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [CTS] Re: dell laptop reload question This is not a Dell issue. Win XP hides system files by default. I think what he was talking about was a hidden partition with an image file of the entire system on it. Some companies, like HP for example, are too cheap to give you a restore CD, but instead put it on the HD. I've never seen Dell do this. If or when the HD goes out, you're SOL unless you have a copy of Windows to install on the computer. I've never dealt with this, but you can unhide the partition and burn that to a CD if you have one of these computers. The only time I work with assembly line computers is at work. I haven't bought one for myself since 1964... :-D No, really since the early/mid ninties, and I don't see a reason to ever do that again. Something I am looking forward to is Mac running on Intel. The word is, they will embed a chip in their MBs so that you cannot install Mac on an ordinary PC, but I know someone will hack that. I'd love to have a new Mac, but refuse to lay out the money they want (read steal) for it. I'm talking about a high-end $5000.00 job. Hal On 12/29/2005 11:01 PM, CRAZYDOVE@xxxxxxx duly noted: Hal..my first laptop is a Dell..and when I started doing explorations into it..I found that in Explorer, most of the system files were hidden. I had to and still have to check to make sure they aren't hidden, such as when I do a search for a file..I have to make sure it checks hidden files. I guess Dell sets it up thinking we're all newbies when we get our laptops..or sumthin'. LOL Jackie In a message dated 12/29/2005 7:41:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, hdbrown@xxxxxxxxx writes: I've never seen a 'hidden' folder on a Dell. You do not have to format the HD before installing Win XP. It will be formated during the installation. Strongly suggest you format it using NTFS. -- Hal Brown email: hdbrown@xxxxxxxxx Home: 937.864.7523 Work: 937.286.4941 http://daytonlodge147.org