You have to take in account that besides you and Joe, no one else here was there when you two used these things on the first Model T! <ducking> :-) On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:46:58 -0500, "Russ Blakeman" <rhb57@xxxxxxxxxx> took time to say the following: RB> been using all the things they RB> mention here for years - none of it is new but the velcro ties - we just RB> used either strings or baggie ties prior to the vecro. "I've got some bad news for you sunshine, Pink isn't well, he stayed back at the hotel" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Talk Shop http://www.computertalkshop.com Un-subscribe/Vacation, http://www.computertalkshop.com/list_options.htm List HowTo: http://www.computertalkshop.com/faq.htm To join Computer Talk Shop's off topic list, please goto: http://computertalkshop.com/other_cts_lists.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------