[citansdnd] Re: D&D Essentials update (part 1)
- From: Steve Bartalamay <lanzlo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: citansdnd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:22:34 -0700
OK, I think you mis-interprited what I meant there. My thought is that Common
items would be available anywhere. Go to some podunct village out in the middle
of nowhere, and the local Hedge Wizard would most likely be able to sell you a
few healing potions, and maybe a +x enchant on an item of your choice. Anything
more 'specialized,' like a Pact Sword, would be out of his ability to provide;
for that, you'd have to go to a larger town. One with actual walls, and several
wizards selling items; if one doesn't have it, or can make it, he most likely
will know somewhere to get it.
On Sep 13, 2010, at 3:11 PM, marbleminotaur@xxxxxxx wrote:
> I doubt they'd mess with the estabilshed economy like that, seeing as it
> would negate the entire chapter on Treasure parcels in the DMGs and render
> both Adventurer's Vaults as useful as two hardback paperweights. What's been
> established, and has been written in many places is that "Common" Items are
> your basic +X Enhancement bonus Magic Items. They *might* tweak the prices of
> those, but it's unlikely. Uncommons are anything that aren't your standard +X
> Enhancement bonus magic items and I'm guessing those are going to be entirely
> untouched except for a shiny new "Uncommon" sticker attached to them. Rares
> are probably a few choice older Magic Items from the past (My bet is that
> they make the Holy Avenger a Rare) and new stuff we haven't seen yet.
>
> On the topic of items being "out of reach" for certain levels, that's already
> a core rule. It's been a core rule since day one. Items have levels, and the
> great majority of the time they're handed out at the GMs discretion ANYWAY.
> Overhauling the system would be ridiculously game changing at this point, and
> they would have told us this from the moment "Essentials" left Wizards'
> mouth. They won't be changing the already established Magic Item structure
> they've already built. A "Rare" Level 6 Magic Item will still be worth the
> same as an "Uncommon" Level 6 Item, they'll just be given to the players at
> the discretion of the GM as the only difference in availability. My guess is
> that there will be extremely few Magic Items given the label of "Rare". After
> all is said and done, I forsee maybe 10% of the entire collection of Magic
> Items released over the years being "Rare". I'm also going to guess that a
> great majority of the Rare items will be released as DDI exclusives, since
> that's how Wizards likes to roll when they do things like this. Just
> speculation here based on track records though.
>
> Another reason I highly doubt that Uncommons will be barred from purchase or
> creation is that if that is the case... then what's the purpose of even
> having "Rare" as a tier of item? They'd be absolutely identical. No, what I'm
> seeing is this whole Common/Uncommon/Rare debacle is just a fancy painted
> guideline meant to make handing out treasure easier on the GM. Just like how
> all the new class builds in Essentials seem to be tooled more towards making
> things easier for new players, it's only natural to think that they'd do the
> same sorts of things for new GMs.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Bartalamay <lanzlo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: citansdnd <citansdnd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Mon, Sep 13, 2010 2:36 pm
> Subject: [citansdnd] Re: D&D Essentials update (part 1)
>
> My thoughts on this are that Common items can be bought as a starting
> character, if you can afford them. Uncommon items will be out of reach from
> the lower levels (probably until 5 or so... don't hold me to that...) but are
> available if you're creating, say, a 7th level character; you could still
> find them for sale in an ongoing game, if you look. Rare items would only be
> in the hands of the GM, to hand out as he sees fit.
>
> It appears that Commons would be dirt cheep because they're useful and
> plentiful. Uncommons would be more specialized adventuring equipment. Rares
> would be more along the line of "Oh my god! I can't believe I just found
> this! This rocks!"
>
> On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:14 PM, marbleminotaur@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm pretty sure the article at critical hits is what they're going to do.
>> The only information that mentioned Uncommon Items not being able to be
>> bought or made was a Twitter post that was made BEFORE the critical hits
>> article, and we all know Twitter's about as reliable a source of information
>> as The World Weekly News. My hard money's on Uncommons being able to be
>> bought and made, otherwise how the Hell would you be able to create higher
>> levelled characters?
>>
>> Any other information I found either didn't say specifically or was
>> hear-say. Good lord the Wizard forums was all in a panic with no hard facts
>> at all, just people jumping to the worst possible conclusions. The Critical
>> Hits article is the only place that seemed to break it down and address the
>> issue, and seeing as it was an article written AT THE CONVENTION ITSELF I
>> trust them to get their damn facts straight. Even after the guy posted the
>> article, they were still freaking out for THIRTY SOME PAGES about the
>> earlier Twitter post as if it were the be-all, end-all to the argument when
>> we'd JUST been given something reliable stating the CONTRARY.
>> Seriously, people need to stop worrying about Essentials. They're not going
>> to do anything that outlandish, and I KNOW they won't. It'd be too game
>> changing and blatantly contradicts what has already been established about
>> the line from reliable sources. It's not like the designers are twirling
>> handlebar mustaches and devising evil plans to catch Penelope Pitstop and
>> pull a fast one on the people who play their game. You honestly expect me to
>> believe that they're deliberately pumping out false information to the press
>> so they can leap out and go "HA HA! WE SURE FOOLED YOU! HA HA!" when we
>> finally get Essentials on the shelves and realise all the information we've
>> been given was a lie? Wizards would be FINISHED.
>>
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