Our lists differ because of our particular value systems and thought processes.
I began by eliminating the presidents whom I had not personally experienced.
That was an arbitrary decision on my part, but it had to do with how different
the US was in terms of geography, the development of technology, and the mores,
from what it is now. I then omitted people whose personal life styles might be
abhorrent, and tried to concentrate on whose actions affected the majority of
Americans and the possibilities for world peace. FDR has a lot to answer for,
but he looks like he did somewhat more good than harm. Obama did a great deal
of harm, but there are some issues where he did less harm than he was pressured
to do. But I keep learning more horrible stuff each day and one of the things
that I learned today is that Obama convinced Saudi Arabia to lower its oil
prices and flood the market with its oil in order to damage the oil sales of
Venezuela and Iran. At the same time, he listed Venezuela as a country that
endangered the US. So he set the stage for taking over the Venezuelan
government. And although he signed a deal with Iran, it was a punitive deal.
So in the end, what do I know about what presidents do? I make judgements with
limited knowledge.
Miriam
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Donald Trump
Each of us could probably draw up our own "ten most horrible presidents" list.
And with only a few exceptions, the lists would be different. Because the
United States of America was a myth, a wonderful Fairy Tale of Once Upon a
Time. The new nation's constitution was an amazing document, a model parroted
by nations down through the years. But all of its freedoms and all of its
human rights were not given to All of the People. This new document, as
wonderful as it read, was meant only for the White, Male, Landed Gentry. The
Working Class, which was most of the remaining population, had to fight
constantly in order to have access to any of those "Inalienable Rights" set
down in the Constitution. Since the men, all White up until Barack Obama took
office some 238 years later, were owned by that Oligarchy, including Obama, the
selection of presidential candidates was restricted to a very specific group of
right-minded men.
Despite the wide variety of surface differences, these men all passed the
approval of those they would serve. On my "Most Horrible" list I place Andrew
Jackson high. Jackson was a cold, heartless Racist of the First Order. But
Andrew Johnson had to be elbowing his way toward the top spot, too. Grant was
incompetent and so was Harding...as well as being a womanizer and a crook.
Wilson and Truman were "Chicken Hawks" as well as Racists. Even the great FDR
was a mixed bag, playing footsie with the Dixicrats and his dealings with the
Americans of Japanese descent. Kennedy was a pretty boy womanizer, along with
Clinton. Nixon was a Traitor and a liar, and Reagan was pressed so closely to
the backside of the wealthy elite that his lips were a permanent brown. The
first Bush was a kinder gentler mass murderer and his son was an idiot mass
murderer(apologies to kind, sane, decent idiots).
Bill Clinton, like Barack Obama, learned to play ball with the Establishment.
Their major difference was that Bill was/is a big time womanizer, and Obama
is...well...is a "compromiser".
This brings me to Donald Trump, and I'm already about 4 or 5 over my allotted
ten. But that's alright, because Donald Trump, despite the massess of media
coverage he receives, is a run of the mill professional chiseler. He comes in
all colors and fancy clothes. He smirks at you as he sizes up your total
worth. He will cheat, or give generously...although he can give without
giving. Donald Trump is the poster boy for the New Successful American.
Donald Trump is all the things we are told that we value.
What do you think? Look like a picture of you?
Carl Jarvis
On 3/29/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'm not sure I care about historians, nor do I care about Marxist
theory when it comes to judging presidents. and I think we need to
judge what we have on the basis of the reality in which we find
ourselves. In my lifetime, given their effects on the well being of
the majority of people, Trump is the worst. W. Bush is next in line.
But Reagan started us on this road to hell. Truman sinned against
humanity by being responsible for dropping the atom bombs and starting the
cold war. So maybe he's the worst.
Miriam
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I don't necessarily give a lot of credence to bourgeois presidential
historians because my class perspective is entirely different than
theirs, but, nevertheless, I understand that until now most
presidential historians named Herbert Hoover as the worst president
ever. I have seen some articles that now name Donald Trump as having
supplanted that position.
---
Carl Sagan
“ The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It
may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It
may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our
preferences do not determine what's true. ”
― Carl Sagan
On 3/29/2019 12:59 AM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Mostafa wrote: "He's the worst president to ever operate in the oval
office."
Sorry Mostafa, Donald Trump is only one of a large number of
corrupt, mentally unbalanced men to achieve the presidency.
The United States of America has a violent history, which I will not
go into here. But if you care to read a fairly objective and
accurate account of the growth of this nation, read Howard Zinn's "A
People's History of the United States". That Oval Office has seated
some very honorable and honest men. But it has also seen corrupt and
greedy and self serving men.
Personally, I believe that the honest American, who cares about his
people and about how we treat the people of the world, still
outnumber the cheats and those who worship the Golden Calf.
Carl Jarvis
On 3/28/19, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Some states split their electoral votes. I think Nebraska is one. Or
am I thinking of another midwest state?
---
Carl Sagan
“ The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with.
It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held
prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to
be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true. ”
― Carl Sagan
On 3/28/2019 10:07 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Mustafa,
I'd like to correct one of the things you said. The majority of
Americans did not elect Donald Trump. If the president were elected
as he or she should be, by a majority of the votes cast, Hillary
Clinton would have won the election. She received 3 million more
votes than Mr. Trump. He became President in the same way that
George W. Bush did. Their election was due to a mechanism called
the electoral college. The electoral college was developed in order
to deny the vote to the ordinary people. Each state is allotted a
certain number of electoral votes. If the majority of the popular
vote goes to the Republican party, for example, then all of the
electoral votes in that particular state go to the presidential
candidate.
So if 51% of people in Michigan voted for Trump, he'd get all of
the electoral votes, not 51% of them. He won because a few key
states had a majority of Republican votes.
There are many complicated reasons that explain why the US
government is functioning as it is at this point. But in addition
to all of the historical, sociological, and financial reasons, it
is important to recognize that Donald J. Trump is a mentally,
emotionally disabled man, who, along with having been dishonest and
sheltered by his wealth from the consequences of his actions for
all of his life, is not competent to undertake the tasks of the
presidency.
Miriam
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Donald Trump
Well, although I am not American, I'd still like to join the discussion.
I
wonder, how would George Washington react if he encountered Donald
Trump operating in the White House? I bet he would have gone mad.
He would say, who has brought this hellion here? He won't imagine
that the majority of Americans are the ones who did.
Trump isn't himself the prob, he's just a tool that governs the
corporal establishment and its material plethora. It is a system
that aids the rich to constantly become richer and the poor shall
constantly become poorer.
As I decisively stated, the practice of lobbyism is the major
factor by which law enforcement has been perfectly surmounted in the
States.
Everyone knew for sure that Trump is a horrific felon, even those
who categorically defend him.
Nonetheless, with the power of his copious wealth, he was able to
either threaten or bribe the special council. Perhaps he has done
both, who knows? As Cohen has somewhat purported in his testimonial
to Congress, Trump is besieged by bunch of guardians including
attorneys etc. He warned people that Trump doesn't care about
allegiance. He'd rather pay people to protect him and to even lie
for him if it is necessary. Right now, Trump thinks he is wholly
protected. No one is higher than him to oppugn his deeds. Even
congress is bought, and it amply complies to mr Trump demands.
Donald Trump resembles the mass nescience of average Americans on a
rather broader scale. They elected him after all. Many of them are
seemingly in favour of his typical impudence and inapplicably crude
remarks. Trump's disgraceful rhetoric is not aliened to us. He
perennially clashed and expressed disapprobation of reporters
asking him questions. He's just so petulant about that. Donald
Trump is impeachably caged for explicitly uttering racism. He
rudely mocked accents of people on stage. He spoke terms that are
leastwise, quite abhorrent in essence. He easily mortifies major
rivals. Now, who admitted this incompetent individual to act
swaggeringly in Oval Office? Well, they're just some bunch of racists.
They're just bunch of outrageous white supremacists who're mostly
Protestants. They're merely bigots and hate provokers. They speak
about Islam derogatorily. As they incessantly truckle to satisfy
the Zionist camp, they relentlessly attempt to marginalise,
denigrate and demonise Islam out of malice. This is how Donald
Trump is unremittingly salvaged, despite his denotative commission
of major offences. He works by and for the Zionist lobby and that's
quite obvious. Donald Trump has plainly breached the longly chanted
American principles of democracy, ethnic equality and the allegedly
promoted prevention of racial disparity. He discourteously
assaulted immigrants and people of darker complexion.
He's
the worst president to ever operate in oval office. Many people are
so lenified with Trump's absonant disposal. They consider him
somewhat their daddy. Well, he's basically a demagogue. If some of
you aren't so familiar with this term, he is a political leader who
seeks endorsement with appealing to popular passions and
prejudices. This is exactly what Trump does. The nuance of longly
proclaimed American fundamental principles has been utterly ruined
in Trump's miserable era. However, there are Americans who're quite
disappointed with Trump being unfortunately their president.
I knew people who left the States shortly after election results
have declared him winning the presidential race. Donald Trump
doesn't necessarily represent many Americans. He neither doesn't
represent the American dream. It is essentially based on genuinely
practiced democratic tenets such as freedom of speech, freedom of
embracement as well as defection of faith or notion. I knew people
who felicitously live in the States with being Muslims. They never
felt disparaged until Trump came.
I
personally am not so invoked to Americanism. Be that as it may, I
do not criticise people for their dissension with me. I solely
repudiate acts that are destined to diminish, slander or manipulate
my identity. I communicate beautifully with people who do not come
near my faith and heritage. I tolerate difference of opinion and
belief. I at the same time won't ever neglect my conscience to
gratify those of special agenda. It is significantly crucial to
recognise that I wholly represent my culture and identity and I am
not prepared at any rate to alter that. Thank you for reading,
cordially.
