Richard,
What I hate is that over the years, as I look back, I realize how much
misinformation the public has been fed by news organizations that we trusted. I
hate that we've been manipulated by our mass media just as surely as the
citizens of authoritarian states were misled by the propaganda of their
governments. We were trained to believe that we had a free press that would
inform us. We attended schools where we learned history that we were told was
an objective record of the past. And only now, from my reading and listening,
am I finding out things that I should have been told before. And the fact is
that the majority of people are being led like sheep by people who benefit
financially from our ignorance.
I began reading a history book today. We've all been taught to see Abraham
Lincoln as this wonderful president who was responsible for the end of slavery.
Well, today I learned that he wanted the freed slaves to leave the US and go
somewhere else. His choice was a colony in South America. I read his words, to
the effect that these black people have been the cause of all of our troubles
and it would be best if they be removed from our land. My God! They didn't ask
to come here. They were captured and brought here to be enslaved so that white
rich people could get even richer. But the truth about Lincoln's attitude has
been surpressed. I'm sure that the historian who read and quoted the documents
regarding this, isn't the first person to have seen what Lincoln said.
There are all these pertinent facts that people don't know.
Miriam
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Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 4:03 PM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Donald Trump
Miriam:
Would you say that we hate finding out we were wrong? I was around in 1946 and
just being released from active duty. I have spent a good many years trying to
find the few times I was right (correct).
Richard
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On Mar 30, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I never learned anything about the Russian constitution, and I'm sure that no
one else living in the western world did either. One would have had to seek
out that information, and it wouldn't have been all that easy for most people
to do so, before the internet. And if you weren't around in 1946 to watch how
our government was able to demonize the Russian government and its people in
the minds of Americans, you can see a replay of it right now, starting in
2013 and escalating after the presidential election. And although Obama was
no Stalin, I watched how people blinded themselves to his faults and made
excuses for him from the day he was elected. I remember having a discussion
with Joe on the phone, about him back then. Joe was doing what every other
Democrat was doing, making excuses for him.
Miriam
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Donald Trump
Agreed. And that should be a warning to those who rattle sabers without
knowing how to secure their goal.
When others have control over such important areas as education and the
media, how do we "pre-educate" Americans? How do we undo all of the myths,
the lies and the misconceptions that have been spun in order to keep us
distracted and under the boot of those who own the American Empire?
There were far better men than Joe Stalin, in as far as establishing a
People's Government. But Stalin knew how to grab power. That should be
first and foremost in our minds when a change of government begins.
Given the confusion and distortion hammered into our heads, how do we avoid
handing ourselves over to the Next Stalin?
Carl Jarvis
On 3/29/19, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Frankly, I think that the most democratic constitution with the most
progressive guarantees of human rights that the world has ever known
was the constitution of the Soviet Union. It's too bad that the
Stalinist government ignored it and it is too bad that the Stalinists
took over before it could be fully implemented.
---
Carl Sagan
“ The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with.
It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices.
It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But
our preferences do not determine what's true. ”
― Carl Sagan
On 3/29/2019 7:20 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Each of us could probably draw up our own "ten most horrible presidents"
list.
And with only a few exceptions, the lists would be different.
Because the United States of America was a myth, a wonderful Fairy
Tale of Once Upon a Time. The new nation's constitution was an
amazing document, a model parroted by nations down through the years.
But all of its freedoms and all of its human rights were not given
to All of the People. This new document, as wonderful as it read,
was meant only for the White, Male, Landed Gentry. The Working
Class, which was most of the remaining population, had to fight
constantly in order to have access to any of those "Inalienable
Rights" set down in the Constitution. Since the men, all White up
until Barack Obama took office some 238 years later, were owned by
that Oligarchy, including Obama, the selection of presidential
candidates was restricted to a very specific group of right-minded men.
Despite the wide variety of surface differences, these men all
passed the approval of those they would serve. On my "Most
Horrible" list I place Andrew Jackson high. Jackson was a cold,
heartless Racist of the First Order. But Andrew Johnson had to be
elbowing his way toward the top spot, too. Grant was incompetent
and so was Harding...as well as being a womanizer and a crook.
Wilson and Truman were "Chicken Hawks" as well as Racists. Even the
great FDR was a mixed bag, playing footsie with the Dixicrats and
his dealings with the Americans of Japanese descent. Kennedy was a
pretty boy womanizer, along with Clinton. Nixon was a Traitor and a
liar, and Reagan was pressed so closely to the backside of the
wealthy elite that his lips were a permanent brown. The first Bush
was a kinder gentler mass murderer and his son was an idiot mass
murderer(apologies to kind, sane, decent idiots).
Bill Clinton, like Barack Obama, learned to play ball with the
Establishment. Their major difference was that Bill was/is a big
time womanizer, and Obama is...well...is a "compromiser".
This brings me to Donald Trump, and I'm already about 4 or 5 over my
allotted ten. But that's alright, because Donald Trump, despite the
massess of media coverage he receives, is a run of the mill
professional chiseler. He comes in all colors and fancy clothes.
He smirks at you as he sizes up your total worth. He will cheat, or
give generously...although he can give without giving. Donald Trump
is the poster boy for the New Successful American. Donald Trump is
all the things we are told that we value.
What do you think? Look like a picture of you?
Carl Jarvis
On 3/29/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'm not sure I care about historians, nor do I care about Marxist
theory when it comes to judging presidents. and I think we need
to judge what we have on the basis of the reality in which we find
ourselves. In my lifetime, given their effects on the well being of
the majority of people, Trump is the worst. W. Bush is next in line.
But Reagan started us on this road to hell. Truman sinned against
humanity by being responsible for dropping the atom bombs and
starting the cold war. So maybe he's the worst.
Miriam
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Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 3:04 PM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Donald Trump
I don't necessarily give a lot of credence to bourgeois
presidential historians because my class perspective is entirely
different than theirs, but, nevertheless, I understand that until
now most presidential historians named Herbert Hoover as the worst
president ever. I have seen some articles that now name Donald
Trump as having supplanted that position.
---
Carl Sagan
“ The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with.
It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held
prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want
to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true. ”
― Carl Sagan
On 3/29/2019 12:59 AM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Mostafa wrote: "He's the worst president to ever operate in the
oval office."
Sorry Mostafa, Donald Trump is only one of a large number of
corrupt, mentally unbalanced men to achieve the presidency.
The United States of America has a violent history, which I will
not go into here. But if you care to read a fairly objective and
accurate account of the growth of this nation, read Howard Zinn's
"A People's History of the United States". That Oval Office has
seated some very honorable and honest men. But it has also seen
corrupt and greedy and self serving men.
Personally, I believe that the honest American, who cares about
his people and about how we treat the people of the world, still
outnumber the cheats and those who worship the Golden Calf.
Carl Jarvis
On 3/28/19, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Some states split their electoral votes. I think Nebraska is one.
Or am I thinking of another midwest state?
---
Carl Sagan
“ The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple
with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held
prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want
to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true. ”
― Carl Sagan
On 3/28/2019 10:07 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Mustafa,
I'd like to correct one of the things you said. The majority of
Americans did not elect Donald Trump. If the president were
elected as he or she should be, by a majority of the votes cast,
Hillary Clinton would have won the election. She received 3
million more votes than Mr. Trump. He became President in the
same way that George W. Bush did. Their election was due to a
mechanism called the electoral college. The electoral college
was developed in order to deny the vote to the ordinary people.
Each state is allotted a certain number of electoral votes. If
the majority of the popular vote goes to the Republican party,
for example, then all of the electoral votes in that particular
state go to the presidential candidate.
So if 51% of people in Michigan voted for Trump, he'd get all of
the electoral votes, not 51% of them. He won because a few key
states had a majority of Republican votes.
There are many complicated reasons that explain why the US
government is functioning as it is at this point. But in
addition to all of the historical, sociological, and financial
reasons, it is important to recognize that Donald J. Trump is a
mentally, emotionally disabled man, who, along with having been
dishonest and sheltered by his wealth from the consequences of
his actions for all of his life, is not competent to undertake
the tasks of the presidency.
Miriam
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Almahdy
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 8:21 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Donald Trump
Well, although I am not American, I'd still like to join the
discussion.
I
wonder, how would George Washington react if he encountered
Donald Trump operating in the White House? I bet he would have
gone mad. He would say, who has brought this hellion here? He
won't imagine that the majority of Americans are the ones who
did.
Trump isn't himself the prob, he's just a tool that governs the
corporal establishment and its material plethora. It is a system
that aids the rich to constantly become richer and the poor
shall constantly become poorer.
As I decisively stated, the practice of lobbyism is the major
factor by which law enforcement has been perfectly surmounted in
the States.
Everyone knew for sure that Trump is a horrific felon, even
those who categorically defend him.
Nonetheless, with the power of his copious wealth, he was able
to either threaten or bribe the special council. Perhaps he has
done both, who knows? As Cohen has somewhat purported in his
testimonial to Congress, Trump is besieged by bunch of guardians
including attorneys etc. He warned people that Trump doesn't
care about allegiance. He'd rather pay people to protect him and
to even lie for him if it is necessary. Right now, Trump thinks
he is wholly protected. No one is higher than him to oppugn his
deeds. Even congress is bought, and it amply complies to mr
Trump demands.
Donald Trump resembles the mass nescience of average Americans
on a rather broader scale. They elected him after all. Many of
them are seemingly in favour of his typical impudence and
inapplicably crude remarks.
Trump's
disgraceful rhetoric is not aliened to us. He perennially
clashed and expressed disapprobation of reporters asking him
questions. He's just so petulant about that. Donald Trump is
impeachably caged for explicitly uttering racism. He rudely
mocked accents of people on stage. He spoke terms that are
leastwise, quite abhorrent in essence. He easily mortifies
major rivals. Now, who admitted this incompetent individual to
act swaggeringly in Oval Office? Well, they're just some bunch
of racists.
They're just bunch of outrageous white supremacists who're
mostly Protestants. They're merely bigots and hate provokers.
They speak about Islam derogatorily. As they incessantly truckle
to satisfy the Zionist camp, they relentlessly attempt to
marginalise, denigrate and demonise Islam out of malice. This is
how Donald Trump is unremittingly salvaged, despite his
denotative commission of major offences. He works by and for the
Zionist lobby and that's quite obvious. Donald Trump has plainly
breached the longly chanted American principles of democracy,
ethnic equality and the allegedly promoted prevention of racial
disparity.
He
discourteously assaulted immigrants and people of darker complexion.
He's
the worst president to ever operate in oval office. Many people
are so lenified with Trump's absonant disposal. They consider
him somewhat their daddy. Well, he's basically a demagogue. If
some of you aren't so familiar with this term, he is a political
leader who seeks endorsement with appealing to popular passions
and prejudices. This is exactly what Trump does. The nuance of
longly proclaimed American fundamental principles has been
utterly ruined in Trump's miserable era. However, there are
Americans who're quite disappointed with Trump being
unfortunately their president.
I knew people who left the States shortly after election results
have declared him winning the presidential race. Donald Trump
doesn't necessarily represent many Americans. He neither doesn't
represent the American dream. It is essentially based on
genuinely practiced democratic tenets such as freedom of speech,
freedom of embracement as well as defection of faith or notion.
I knew people who felicitously live in the States with being
Muslims. They never felt disparaged until Trump came.
I
personally am not so invoked to Americanism. Be that as it may,
I do not criticise people for their dissension with me. I solely
repudiate acts that are destined to diminish, slander or
manipulate my identity. I communicate beautifully with people
who do not come near my faith and heritage. I tolerate
difference of opinion and belief. I at the same time won't ever
neglect my conscience to gratify those of special agenda.
It
is
significantly crucial to recognise that I wholly represent my
culture and identity and I am not prepared at any rate to alter
that. Thank you for reading, cordially.
