Agreed. And that should be a warning to those who rattle sabers
without knowing how to secure their goal.
When others have control over such important areas as education and
the media, how do we "pre-educate" Americans? How do we undo all of
the myths, the lies and the misconceptions that have been spun in
order to keep us distracted and under the boot of those who own the
American Empire?
There were far better men than Joe Stalin, in as far as establishing a
People's Government. But Stalin knew how to grab power. That should
be first and foremost in our minds when a change of government begins.
Given the confusion and distortion hammered into our heads, how do we
avoid handing ourselves over to the Next Stalin?
Carl Jarvis
On 3/29/19, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Frankly, I think that the most democratic constitution with the most
progressive guarantees of human rights that the world has ever known was the
constitution of the Soviet Union. It's too bad that the Stalinist government
ignored it and it is too bad that the Stalinists took over before it could
be fully implemented.
---
Carl Sagan
“ The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may
be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be
consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do
not determine what's true. ”
― Carl Sagan
On 3/29/2019 7:20 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Each of us could probably draw up our own "ten most horrible presidents"
list.
And with only a few exceptions, the lists would be different. Because
the United States of America was a myth, a wonderful Fairy Tale of
Once Upon a Time. The new nation's constitution was an amazing
document, a model parroted by nations down through the years. But all
of its freedoms and all of its human rights were not given to All of
the People. This new document, as wonderful as it read, was meant
only for the White, Male, Landed Gentry. The Working Class, which was
most of the remaining population, had to fight constantly in order to
have access to any of those "Inalienable Rights" set down in the
Constitution. Since the men, all White up until Barack Obama took
office some 238 years later, were owned by that Oligarchy, including
Obama, the selection of presidential candidates was restricted to a
very specific group of right-minded men.
Despite the wide variety of surface differences, these men all passed
the approval of those they would serve. On my "Most Horrible" list I
place Andrew Jackson high. Jackson was a cold, heartless Racist of
the First Order. But Andrew Johnson had to be elbowing his way toward
the top spot, too. Grant was incompetent and so was Harding...as well
as being a womanizer and a crook. Wilson and Truman were "Chicken
Hawks" as well as Racists. Even the great FDR was a mixed bag,
playing footsie with the Dixicrats and his dealings with the Americans
of Japanese descent. Kennedy was a pretty boy womanizer, along with
Clinton. Nixon was a Traitor and a liar, and Reagan was pressed so
closely to the backside of the wealthy elite that his lips were a
permanent brown. The first Bush was a kinder gentler mass murderer
and his son was an idiot mass murderer(apologies to kind, sane, decent
idiots).
Bill Clinton, like Barack Obama, learned to play ball with the
Establishment. Their major difference was that Bill was/is a big time
womanizer, and Obama is...well...is a "compromiser".
This brings me to Donald Trump, and I'm already about 4 or 5 over my
allotted ten. But that's alright, because Donald Trump, despite the
massess of media coverage he receives, is a run of the mill
professional chiseler. He comes in all colors and fancy clothes. He
smirks at you as he sizes up your total worth. He will cheat, or give
generously...although he can give without giving. Donald Trump is the
poster boy for the New Successful American. Donald Trump is all the
things we are told that we value.
What do you think? Look like a picture of you?
Carl Jarvis
On 3/29/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'm not sure I care about historians, nor do I care about Marxist theory
when it comes to judging presidents. and I think we need to judge what
we
have on the basis of the reality in which we find ourselves. In my
lifetime,
given their effects on the well being of the majority of people, Trump
is
the worst. W. Bush is next in line. But Reagan started us on this road
to
hell. Truman sinned against humanity by being responsible for dropping
the
atom bombs and starting the cold war. So maybe he's the worst.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey
(Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 3:04 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Carl Jarvis <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Donald Trump
I don't necessarily give a lot of credence to bourgeois presidential
historians because my class perspective is entirely different than
theirs,
but, nevertheless, I understand that until now most presidential
historians
named Herbert Hoover as the worst president ever. I have seen some
articles
that now name Donald Trump as having supplanted that position.
---
Carl Sagan
“ The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It
may
be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not
be
consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences
do
not determine what's true. ”
― Carl Sagan
On 3/29/2019 12:59 AM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Mostafa wrote: "He's the worst president to ever operate in the oval
office."
Sorry Mostafa, Donald Trump is only one of a large number of corrupt,
mentally unbalanced men to achieve the presidency.
The United States of America has a violent history, which I will not
go into here. But if you care to read a fairly objective and accurate
account of the growth of this nation, read Howard Zinn's "A People's
History of the United States". That Oval Office has seated some very
honorable and honest men. But it has also seen corrupt and greedy and
self serving men.
Personally, I believe that the honest American, who cares about his
people and about how we treat the people of the world, still outnumber
the cheats and those who worship the Golden Calf.
Carl Jarvis
On 3/28/19, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Some states split their electoral votes. I think Nebraska is one. Or
am
I thinking of another midwest state?
---
Carl Sagan
“ The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It
may
be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may
not
be
consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our
preferences
do
not determine what's true. ”
― Carl Sagan
On 3/28/2019 10:07 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Mustafa,
I'd like to correct one of the things you said. The majority of
Americans
did not elect Donald Trump. If the president were elected as he or
she
should be, by a majority of the votes cast, Hillary Clinton would
have
won
the election. She received 3 million more votes than Mr. Trump. He
became
President in the same way that George W. Bush did. Their election was
due
to a mechanism called the electoral college. The electoral college
was
developed in order to deny the vote to the ordinary people. Each
state
is
allotted a certain number of electoral votes. If the majority of the
popular vote goes to the Republican party, for example, then all of
the
electoral votes in that particular state go to the presidential
candidate.
So if 51% of people in Michigan voted for Trump, he'd get all of the
electoral votes, not 51% of them. He won because a few key states had
a
majority of Republican votes.
There are many complicated reasons that explain why the US government
is
functioning as it is at this point. But in addition to all of the
historical, sociological, and financial reasons, it is important to
recognize that Donald J. Trump is a mentally, emotionally disabled
man,
who, along with having been dishonest and sheltered by his wealth
from
the
consequences of his actions for all of his life, is not competent to
undertake the tasks of the presidency.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Mostafa Almahdy
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 8:21 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Donald Trump
Well, although I am not American, I'd still like to join the
discussion.
I
wonder, how would George Washington react if he encountered Donald
Trump
operating in the White House? I bet he would have gone mad. He would
say,
who has brought this hellion here? He won't imagine that the majority
of
Americans are the ones who did.
Trump isn't himself the prob, he's just a tool that governs the
corporal
establishment and its material plethora. It is a system that aids the
rich
to constantly become richer and the poor shall constantly become
poorer.
As I decisively stated, the practice of lobbyism is the major factor
by
which law enforcement has been perfectly surmounted in the States.
Everyone knew for sure that Trump is a horrific felon, even those who
categorically defend him.
Nonetheless, with the power of his copious wealth, he was able to
either
threaten or bribe the special council. Perhaps he has done both, who
knows? As Cohen has somewhat purported in his testimonial to
Congress,
Trump is besieged by bunch of guardians including attorneys etc. He
warned
people that Trump doesn't care about allegiance. He'd rather pay
people
to
protect him and to even lie for him if it is necessary. Right now,
Trump
thinks he is wholly protected. No one is higher than him to oppugn
his
deeds. Even congress is bought, and it amply complies to mr Trump
demands.
Donald Trump resembles the mass nescience of average Americans on a
rather
broader scale. They elected him after all. Many of them are seemingly
in
favour of his typical impudence and inapplicably crude remarks.
Trump's
disgraceful rhetoric is not aliened to us. He perennially clashed and
expressed disapprobation of reporters asking him questions. He's just
so
petulant about that. Donald Trump is impeachably caged for explicitly
uttering racism. He rudely mocked accents of people on stage. He
spoke
terms that are leastwise, quite abhorrent in essence. He easily
mortifies
major rivals. Now, who admitted this incompetent individual to act
swaggeringly in Oval Office? Well, they're just some bunch of
racists.
They're just bunch of outrageous white supremacists who're mostly
Protestants. They're merely bigots and hate provokers. They speak
about
Islam derogatorily. As they incessantly truckle to satisfy the
Zionist
camp, they relentlessly attempt to marginalise, denigrate and
demonise
Islam out of malice. This is how Donald Trump is unremittingly
salvaged,
despite his denotative commission of major offences. He works by and
for
the Zionist lobby and that's quite obvious. Donald Trump has plainly
breached the longly chanted American principles of democracy, ethnic
equality and the allegedly promoted prevention of racial disparity.
He
discourteously assaulted immigrants and people of darker complexion.
He's
the worst president to ever operate in oval office. Many people are
so
lenified with Trump's absonant disposal. They consider him somewhat
their
daddy. Well, he's basically a demagogue. If some of you aren't so
familiar
with this term, he is a political leader who seeks endorsement with
appealing to popular passions and prejudices. This is exactly what
Trump
does. The nuance of longly proclaimed American fundamental principles
has
been utterly ruined in Trump's miserable era. However, there are
Americans
who're quite disappointed with Trump being unfortunately their
president.
I knew people who left the States shortly after election results have
declared him winning the presidential race. Donald Trump doesn't
necessarily represent many Americans. He neither doesn't represent
the
American dream. It is essentially based on genuinely practiced
democratic
tenets such as freedom of speech, freedom of embracement as well as
defection of faith or notion. I knew people who felicitously live in
the
States with being Muslims. They never felt disparaged until Trump
came.
I
personally am not so invoked to Americanism. Be that as it may, I do
not
criticise people for their dissension with me. I solely repudiate
acts
that are destined to diminish, slander or manipulate my identity. I
communicate beautifully with people who do not come near my faith and
heritage. I tolerate difference of opinion and belief. I at the same
time
won't ever neglect my conscience to gratify those of special agenda.
It
is
significantly crucial to recognise that I wholly represent my culture
and
identity and I am not prepared at any rate to alter that. Thank you
for
reading, cordially.
