and what are worms used for? bait.
stating that x, y, and z have different political views is actually called
stating the obvious.
On Mar 26, 2016, at 11:05 PM, Frank Ventura <frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Miriam, no no no that is what I meant. When you say something like x y and z
have different political views then you have already opened that can of worms
and they are crawling out.
Frank
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 10:08 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Discussions on the list, was Trump and
Clinton's Big Night Poses Hard Questions For Sanders Campaign and His
Youthful Supporters
No because that's precisely the kind of discussion my post was objecting to.
The purpose of this list, as I understand it, is not to comment on other list
members political viewpoints, religious viewpoints, lifestyles, or behavior.
The purpose of the list is to discuss issues.
Miriam
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 9:33 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Discussions on the list, was Trump and
Clinton's Big Night Poses Hard Questions For Sanders Campaign and His
Youthful Supporters
Miriam, in your email below you said that Ted, Roger and I have three
different political points of view. Just for my own edification can you
describe each one. No challenge or digging up dirt here just natural
curiosity.
Frank
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 4:08 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Discussions on the list, was Trump and Clinton's
Big Night Poses Hard Questions For Sanders Campaign and His Youthful
Supporters
First of all, if, like Alice, everyone can easily find the articles they wish
to read, the ones that are not usually from mainstream sources, then there's
no reason for any of us to post to this list anymore. When I post, it's
because I'd like to share material that I think is interesting. Often, the
articles have contradictory opinions or information.
Ssecond: Discussing opinions, disagreeing, bringing up counter arguments is
what we're all about. But is upsetting and objectionable, are personal
attacks. And apparently, when people are responsible for making them, they
deny the responsibility. I tend to get into a lot of difficulty on this list
because I'm very articulate about my feelings and opinions and I suppose,
when I state them, it may sound as if I think I'm stating the truth as passed
down from God to me, to be communicated to everyone else. But that isn't what
I mean to do. I just mean to say what I think and feel because this has been
the only venue where I could safely do that without disrupting personal
relationships with people in my life. But after my interchange with Frank, I
began thinking about how people have described me when they have disagreed
with what I've said. They haven't just disagreed. They have used words to
describe the kind of person they think I am and the kind of beliefs or
attitudes they think I have. Ted left the list, telling us that we were all,
and this included everyone from Dick to Frank, including Charlie, Joe, Penny,
me, and Roger, all Marxists. I think he used a word like unredeemable or some
such thing. So I'm an unredeemable marxist. On the other hand, Roger has said
I'm a Liberal which, from his point of view is an insult, that I'm therefore,
an enemy of the working class, I suppose. Last night, Frank said that because
I'm an older white person who is financially secure because I receive social
security benefits which no one will take away, I'm willing to sacrifice the
financial welfare of everyone else by allowing the Republicans to win the
Presidential election. Well, he wasn't quite as concise as that, but that
was the meaning of what he said. My point is that these three people, who
have very different political points of view from each other, but who, at one
time or another disagreed with something I said, chose to put me in a
political category and ascribe political beliefs and motives to me, none of
which were accurate, but all of which were meant as an insulting rebuttal in
place of clear arguments based on facts or the posting of articles that might
have made their points. So here on this tiny email list of blind people who
consider themselves to be politically progressive and fair minded, we have
difficulty dealing with differences of opinion in a kind, humane, rational
manner. No wonder we have candidates like Trump and a government, regardless
of which party is in power, that is constantly at war, trying to dominate the
rest of the world. We cannot even keep the peace on Blind Democracy.
Miriam
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alice Dampman Humel
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:57 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump and Clinton's Big Night Poses Hard
Questions For Sanders Campaign and His Youthful Supporters
That's not entirely true at all. He has outlined plans for almost everything
he has proposed.
Google, go to Sanders's website, check news reports from places like Mother
Jones, Truthout, USUncut, Common Dreams, interviews on those Sunday morning
TV shows, which I never get to listen to, CNN, ditto, since I don't get it,
Democracy Now, The Young Turks, Bill Moyers, Addicting Info, Liberal America,
Occupy Democrats, Join the Coffee Party, The Other 98 Percent, American News
X, Occupy Wall Street, to get you started, haha.so you see, I've been busy,
and I have to say to no one in particular, that I have not missed the
squabbling and sniping that goes on on this list and that we seem incapable
of solving, nor have I encountered such in other discussion groups I've been
participating in.
And, like Joe, if it continues, I'm going back into hiding.yeah, I know, who
cares? Just saying.
And Marsha, I know this is coming as part of a reply to you, but it of course
has nothing to do with you or anything you ever have said. OK?
.
On Mar 26, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Martian.Lady <martian.lady@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
HI
Unlike Hilary Bernie does not say what he will do. he says he will
do his best to accomplish his goals.
Marsha
