Roger, I do remember those attacks on you and I think I even mentioned it one
of my posts here. I don't have an answer for that type of attitude but I can
tell you what I did was set up a message rule to send that persons emails
directly to the trash. Out of sight and out of mind.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 9:23 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Discussions on the list, was Trump and Clinton's
Big Night Poses Hard Questions For Sanders Campaign and His Youthful Supporters
Actually, I really don't see that there is a lot of name calling on this list
at all. The attitude that usually accompanies name calling is entirely too
common though and I am the most frequent target. To site a couple of recent
examples, someone mentions that she does not know what art is. I step in to
explain it expecting that would be the end of it.
To my total surprise, though, I receive a barrage of attacks just because I
tried to impart a piece of simple information. Then, more recently, I was
trying to explain a concept. Suddenly I am accused of throwing insults when
insulting anyone was the furthest thing from my mind. Those are just two
examples, but the same kind of thing has happened over and over. Even if name
calling is not technically involved it is still an unpleasant experience to
have to contend with when I was involving myself in the pleasant experience of
explaining concepts and sharing knowledge. To be honest, when one of those
hostile barrages breaks out I start feeling a sense of dread at the prospect of
checking my email. And, really, none of us should feel dread at participating
in this list.
On 3/27/2016 12:52 AM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Miriam and All,
We have been trained for many generations, to fight with insults
rather than with reason. Indeed, we raise our young mostly by
negative reinforcement. A slap here and a scream of anger over there.
We spank, shake, and Punish our children into adulthood, and then
wonder why the world is going to Hell in a hand basket. And we
interact with our fellow travelers on Planet Earth in the same manner,
shouting across make believe borders, shooting one another, and
reducing those who do not agree with us, as inhuman monsters who must
be removed from the face of Earth.
On balance, I think that here on the Blind Democracy list, we do a far
better job of expressing our positions. Sure, we do tend to get
lathered up from time to time, but for the most part we have been in
the business of attempting to pass helpful information along. When
someone turns to name calling in order to express disagreement with
something one of us posts, or an article that we feel is informative,
they are exposing their juvenile side. Rather than get upset, since
the name calling has no bearing upon us, we need to always make an
effort to explain just how counter productive this behavior is.
I recall reading, long ago and in another life, that it is easy to
love the lovely, but very difficult to love the unlovely. But if we
are ever to make a new and better world, we will need to learn to lead
and to teach with love and positive reinforcement.
Carl Jarvis
On 3/26/16, Frank Ventura <frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Miriam, no no no that is what I meant. When you say something like x
y and z have different political views then you have already opened
that can of worms and they are crawling out.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Miriam ;
Vieni
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 10:08 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Discussions on the list, was Trump and
Clinton's Big Night Poses Hard Questions For Sanders Campaign and His
Youthful Supporters
No because that's precisely the kind of discussion my post was
objecting to.
The purpose of this list, as I understand it, is not to comment on
other list members political viewpoints, religious viewpoints,
lifestyles, or behavior. The purpose of the list is to discuss issues.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank ;
Ventura
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 9:33 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Discussions on the list, was Trump and
Clinton's Big Night Poses Hard Questions For Sanders Campaign and His
Youthful Supporters
Miriam, in your email below you said that Ted, Roger and I have three
different political points of view. Just for my own edification can
you describe each one. No challenge or digging up dirt here just
natural curiosity.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Miriam ;
Vieni
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 4:08 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Discussions on the list, was Trump and
Clinton's Big Night Poses Hard Questions For Sanders Campaign and His
Youthful Supporters
First of all, if, like Alice, everyone can easily find the articles
they wish to read, the ones that are not usually from mainstream
sources, then there's no reason for any of us to post to this list
anymore. When I post, it's because I'd like to share material that I
think is interesting. Often, the articles have contradictory opinions or
information.
Ssecond: Discussing opinions, disagreeing, bringing up counter
arguments is what we're all about. But is upsetting and
objectionable, are personal attacks. And apparently, when people are
responsible for making them, they deny the responsibility. I tend to
get into a lot of difficulty on this list because I'm very articulate
about my feelings and opinions and I suppose, when I state them, it
may sound as if I think I'm stating the truth as passed down from God
to me, to be communicated to everyone else. But that isn't what I
mean to do. I just mean to say what I think and feel because this has
been the only venue where I could safely do that without disrupting
personal relationships with people in my life. But after my
interchange with Frank, I began thinking about how people have
described me when they have disagreed with what I've said. They
haven't just disagreed. They have used words to describe the kind of
person they think I am and the kind of beliefs or attitudes they
think I have. Ted left the list, telling us that we were all, and
this included everyone from Dick to Frank, including Charlie, Joe,
Penny, me, and Roger, all Marxists. I think he used a word like
unredeemable or some such thing. So I'm an unredeemable marxist. On
the other hand, Roger has said I'm a Liberal which, from his point of
view is an insult, that I'm therefore, an enemy of the working class,
I suppose. Last night, Frank said that because I'm an older white
person who is financially secure because I receive social security
benefits which no one will take away, I'm willing to sacrifice the
financial welfare of everyone else by allowing the Republicans to win
the Presidential election. Well, he wasn't quite as concise as that,
but that was the meaning of what he said. My point is that these
three people, who have very different political points of view from
each other, but who, at one time or another disagreed with something
I said, chose to put me in a political category and ascribe political
beliefs and motives to me, none of which were accurate, but all of
which were meant as an insulting rebuttal in place of clear arguments
based on facts or the posting of articles that might have made their
points. So here on this tiny email list of blind people who consider
themselves to be politically progressive and fair minded, we have
difficulty dealing with differences of opinion in a kind, humane, rational
manner. No wonder we have candidates like Trump and a government, regardless
of which party is in power, that is constantly at war, trying to dominate
the rest of the world. We cannot even keep the peace on Blind Democracy.
Miriam
________________________________
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alice ;
Dampman Humel
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:57 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump and Clinton's Big Night Poses
Hard Questions For Sanders Campaign and His Youthful Supporters
That's not entirely true at all. He has outlined plans for almost
everything he has proposed.
Google, go to Sanders's website, check news reports from places like
Mother Jones, Truthout, USUncut, Common Dreams, interviews on those
Sunday morning TV shows, which I never get to listen to, CNN, ditto,
since I don't get it, Democracy Now, The Young Turks, Bill Moyers,
Addicting Info, Liberal America, Occupy Democrats, Join the Coffee
Party, The Other 98 Percent, American News X, Occupy Wall Street, to
get you started, haha.so you see, I've been busy, and I have to say
to no one in particular, that I have not missed the squabbling and
sniping that goes on on this list and that we seem incapable of
solving, nor have I encountered such in other discussion groups I've been
participating in.
And, like Joe, if it continues, I'm going back into hiding.yeah, I
know, who cares? Just saying.
And Marsha, I know this is coming as part of a reply to you, but it
of course has nothing to do with you or anything you ever have said. OK?
.
On Mar 26, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Martian.Lady <martian.lady@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
HI
Unlike Hilary Bernie does not say what he will do. he says he
will do his best to accomplish his goals.
Marsha
