[bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me
- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:35:10 -0700
Hi Jill,
Oh, yes, respecting line endings would be good. The book is poetry.
Or I should say that I assume it is as all of her other young adult fiction
in the past few years has been. I think this one is too, if I am
remembering correctly. Definitely, respect line endings.
Mayrie
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jill O'Connell
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:23 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me
Should I use the settings to respect ends of lines as in poetry?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:24 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me
> Hi Jill,
>
> I don't think you need to preserve images, since Cindy will have a
> print copy of the book to look at. That will be all she needs.
>
> Good luck! These books are wonderful! And they are terrible to scan
> accurately! Thank you for doing this one!
>
> If Cindy doesn't lose her mind, I have four more of this author's
> works that are formatted similarly.
>
> Happy scanning.
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jill O'Connell
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:27 AM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me
>
> Mary, as the scanner of Identical, would it be better if I preserved
> images?
>
> I have never done this before but would be willing to read the Kurzweil
> manual to help figure out what I am doing. Thank you.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:21 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me
>
>
>> Hi Cindy,
>>
>> Setting indentations doesn't stick. People choose within their
>> daisy readers whether they want indentations at the beginning of
>> paragraphs,
>> or a double line space. All lines following a hard return are indented
>> in
>> braille. Putting The first word of each indented line in all caps would
>> work, but only if no other words are in all caps for any other reason at
>> the
>> beginning of lines.
>>
>> I do admit that seeing the dashes might be annoying, but I don't
>> know of another solution for this problem. In braille they can easily be
>> skipped over. With speech how much punctuation is spoken can eliminate
>> having to hear them, and the reader can search for them when he/she so
>> chooses.
>>
>> Another little possible hitch. A braille line, in many cases is
>> limited to forty characters. For this reason, I'd change my previous
>> recommendation that all indented lines be preceded by dashes equal to the
>> number of spaces the lines are indented. I think this would be a good
>> idea
>> if the poem has shape, as in the case of the sword that you mentioned, so
>> that the shape is maintained. However, in the books that I've looked at,
>> sometimes blocks of text is offset to the right in just that blocks, or
>> as
>> single lines. In those cases, I think the amount of indentation isn't as
>> important as the fact that the indentation exists. In such cases, I'd
>> think
>> that preceding these lines as a matter of course with (perhaps) four
>> dashes
>> would be sufficient.
>>
>> I can't tell you how thrilled I am that you are willing to take on
>> this book! I have wanted to read this author's work since I was first
>> told
>> about her, but am completely unwilling to read them in any form that
>> sacrifices the form of the poetry. It's important! I have tried many
>> options for scanning and recognition myself, but discovered, sadly, that
>> I
>> can't do this work justice without the help of a sighted person.And, if,
>> after you finish this one, and you aren't either ready to tear your hair
>> out, or totally frustrated or discouraged, I have four other books by
>> this
>> author that I'd love to see made a part of the Bookshare collection and
>> would be THRILLED to scan!
>>
>> I know that this book will be a LOT of intensive work! And I, for
>> one, truly appreciate your willingness to do what is necessary to
>> preserve
>> the form of the poetry!
>>
>> If you have any other questions, please, feel free to contact me
>> either off or on the list and I'll either clarify anything I've made a
>> hash
>> of in this note, or help you brainstorm other solutions that will
>> preserve
>> the poetry and maybe lessen the amount of work you have to do, while
>> still
>> preserving the poetry's form.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Mayrie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy Rosenthal
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:33 PM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me
>>
>> Thanks, Mayrie.
>>
>> I must admit that I don't understand why setting the margins doesn't
>> work.
>> Making first lines indented works, or doesn't it?
>>
>> I did plan to use the hard return at the end of lines and asterisks
>> between
>> the verses. I was thinking of setting the margins initially, or first
>> lines
>> indented at 5 and then the words that are at the left-hand margin flush
>> left. Or making the word that's at the left-hand margin Bold or caps and
>> on
>> a line by itself. If you think neither will work I'll use the dashes, but
>> isn't that annoying, or can Braille and Daisy be set to ignore them?
>>
>> Cindy
>>>
>>> Here is what I believe will work, and the only thing that
>>> probably
>>> will to preserve the placing of poetry on the page where
>>> the author placed
>>> it.
>>>
>>> To indicate blank lines, place an asterisk on the blank
>>> line.
>>>
>>> For a line that is not flush left, I'd place a dash to
>>> fill up each
>>> space on the line that is blank before the beginning of the
>>> line. A hard
>>> return at the end of every line will preserve the end of
>>> the line. I would
>>> use a dash for this and not an asterisk because an asterisk
>>> in braille takes
>>> up two spaces and that would throw off the simetry of the
>>> poem. I suggest
>>> dashes because we know they translate properly to both
>>> daisy and brf files.
>>>
>>> I'm positive that my suggestion will work to preserve
>>> the placement of text
>>> on the page.
>>>
>>> Mayrie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>> Cindy Rosenthal
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:42 PM
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Please check something for me
>>>
>>> Dear Booksharians (thanks, Lissi).
>>>
>>> Would someone PUhLEESE download Alphabestiary by Jane Yolen
>>> for me and look
>>> at the poem Ant Song and tell me where it is on the page? I
>>> didn't know,
>>> then, that line spaces were deleted, so all the verses of
>>> all the poems are
>>> no doubt run together, but I need to know if my resetting
>>> margins so that
>>> some poems are flush left and others, like Ant Song, are
>>> placed in the
>>> middle of the page.
>>>
>>> In a while I'll be validating Identical. I've
>>> looked at the book, though I
>>> won't be able to get to it until I do a couple of
>>> others (Jill, there's no
>>> hurry), and I have several ideas what to do, but one of
>>> them involves
>>> changing the margins for parts.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> WISH LIST (CALLED REQUESTED ADDITIONS TO THE BOOKSHARE
>>> COLLECTION)IS
>>> AVAILABLE AT
>>> http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/wish_list/wish_list.htm
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>>>
>>> A LIST OF BOOKS CURRENTLY BEING SCANNED IS AVAILABLE AT
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>>>
>>>
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