[bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me
- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:35:10 -0700
HI E.
Hard line breaks are obnoxious in prose, but as this book is poetry,
those hard line breaks are the only way that the proper line-length of lines
of poetry can be preserved.
Mayrie
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If you use the settings to respect ends of lines you get hard line
breaks I believe. If you try a page and get hard linebreaks, you will
know. Hard line breaks are obnoxious.
E.
At 04:22 PM 10/30/2008, you wrote:
>Should I use the settings to respect ends of lines as in poetry?
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>>Hi Jill,
>>
>>I don't think you need to preserve images, since Cindy will have a
>>print copy of the book to look at. That will be all she needs.
>>
>>Good luck! These books are wonderful! And they are terrible to scan
>>accurately! Thank you for doing this one!
>>
>>If Cindy doesn't lose her mind, I have four more of this author's
>>works that are formatted similarly.
>>
>>Happy scanning.
>>
>>Mayrie
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
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>>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jill O'Connell
>>Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:27 AM
>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me
>>
>>Mary, as the scanner of Identical, would it be better if I preserved
images?
>>
>>I have never done this before but would be willing to read the Kurzweil
>>manual to help figure out what I am doing. Thank you.
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:21 AM
>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me
>>
>>
>>>Hi Cindy,
>>>
>>>Setting indentations doesn't stick. People choose within their
>>>daisy readers whether they want indentations at the beginning of
>>>paragraphs,
>>>or a double line space. All lines following a hard return are indented
in
>>>braille. Putting The first word of each indented line in all caps would
>>>work, but only if no other words are in all caps for any other reason at
>>>the
>>>beginning of lines.
>>>
>>>I do admit that seeing the dashes might be annoying, but I don't
>>>know of another solution for this problem. In braille they can easily be
>>>skipped over. With speech how much punctuation is spoken can eliminate
>>>having to hear them, and the reader can search for them when he/she so
>>>chooses.
>>>
>>>Another little possible hitch. A braille line, in many cases is
>>>limited to forty characters. For this reason, I'd change my previous
>>>recommendation that all indented lines be preceded by dashes equal to the
>>>number of spaces the lines are indented. I think this would be a good
>>>idea
>>>if the poem has shape, as in the case of the sword that you mentioned, so
>>>that the shape is maintained. However, in the books that I've looked at,
>>>sometimes blocks of text is offset to the right in just that blocks, or
as
>>>single lines. In those cases, I think the amount of indentation isn't as
>>>important as the fact that the indentation exists. In such cases, I'd
>>>think
>>>that preceding these lines as a matter of course with (perhaps) four
>>>dashes
>>>would be sufficient.
>>>
>>>I can't tell you how thrilled I am that you are willing to take on
>>>this book! I have wanted to read this author's work since I was first
>>>told
>>>about her, but am completely unwilling to read them in any form that
>>>sacrifices the form of the poetry. It's important! I have tried many
>>>options for scanning and recognition myself, but discovered, sadly, that
I
>>>can't do this work justice without the help of a sighted person.And, if,
>>>after you finish this one, and you aren't either ready to tear your hair
>>>out, or totally frustrated or discouraged, I have four other books by
this
>>>author that I'd love to see made a part of the Bookshare collection and
>>>would be THRILLED to scan!
>>>
>>>I know that this book will be a LOT of intensive work! And I, for
>>>one, truly appreciate your willingness to do what is necessary to
preserve
>>>the form of the poetry!
>>>
>>>If you have any other questions, please, feel free to contact me
>>>either off or on the list and I'll either clarify anything I've made a
>>>hash
>>>of in this note, or help you brainstorm other solutions that will
preserve
>>>the poetry and maybe lessen the amount of work you have to do, while
still
>>>preserving the poetry's form.
>>>
>>>Thank you.
>>>
>>>Mayrie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy Rosenthal
>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:33 PM
>>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me
>>>
>>>Thanks, Mayrie.
>>>
>>>I must admit that I don't understand why setting the margins doesn't
work.
>>>Making first lines indented works, or doesn't it?
>>>
>>>I did plan to use the hard return at the end of lines and asterisks
>>>between
>>>the verses. I was thinking of setting the margins initially, or first
>>>lines
>>>indented at 5 and then the words that are at the left-hand margin flush
>>>left. Or making the word that's at the left-hand margin Bold or caps and
>>>on
>>>a line by itself. If you think neither will work I'll use the dashes, but
>>>isn't that annoying, or can Braille and Daisy be set to ignore them?
>>>
>>>Cindy
>>>>
>>>>Here is what I believe will work, and the only thing that
>>>>probably
>>>>will to preserve the placing of poetry on the page where
>>>>the author placed
>>>>it.
>>>>
>>>>To indicate blank lines, place an asterisk on the blank
>>>>line.
>>>>
>>>>For a line that is not flush left, I'd place a dash to
>>>>fill up each
>>>>space on the line that is blank before the beginning of the
>>>>line. A hard
>>>>return at the end of every line will preserve the end of
>>>>the line. I would
>>>>use a dash for this and not an asterisk because an asterisk
>>>>in braille takes
>>>>up two spaces and that would throw off the simetry of the
>>>>poem. I suggest
>>>>dashes because we know they translate properly to both
>>>>daisy and brf files.
>>>>
>>>>I'm positive that my suggestion will work to preserve
>>>>the placement of text
>>>>on the page.
>>>>
>>>> Mayrie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>>>Cindy Rosenthal
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:42 PM
>>>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Please check something for me
>>>>
>>>>Dear Booksharians (thanks, Lissi).
>>>>
>>>>Would someone PUhLEESE download Alphabestiary by Jane Yolen
>>>>for me and look
>>>>at the poem Ant Song and tell me where it is on the page? I
>>>>didn't know,
>>>>then, that line spaces were deleted, so all the verses of
>>>>all the poems are
>>>>no doubt run together, but I need to know if my resetting
>>>>margins so that
>>>>some poems are flush left and others, like Ant Song, are
>>>>placed in the
>>>>middle of the page.
>>>>
>>>>In a while I'll be validating Identical. I've
>>>>looked at the book, though I
>>>>won't be able to get to it until I do a couple of
>>>>others (Jill, there's no
>>>>hurry), and I have several ideas what to do, but one of
>>>>them involves
>>>>changing the margins for parts.
>>>>
>>>>Cindy
>>>>
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