[bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me
- From: Cindy Rosenthal <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:30:44 -0700 (PDT)
Yes, Mayrie, it is--and Jill, if you do that then it's one less thing for me to
do. smile Theoretically, the book should scan that way, no?
I don't envy you scanning that book. It's short, stubby, and very thick.
Cindy
--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 4:35 PM
> Hi Jill,
>
> Oh, yes, respecting line endings would be good. The book
> is poetry.
> Or I should say that I assume it is as all of her other
> young adult fiction
> in the past few years has been. I think this one is too,
> if I am
> remembering correctly. Definitely, respect line endings.
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Jill O'Connell
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:23 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me
>
> Should I use the settings to respect ends of lines as in
> poetry?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mayrie ReNae"
> <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:24 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me
>
>
> > Hi Jill,
> >
> > I don't think you need to preserve images, since
> Cindy will have a
> > print copy of the book to look at. That will be all
> she needs.
> >
> > Good luck! These books are wonderful! And they are
> terrible to scan
> > accurately! Thank you for doing this one!
> >
> > If Cindy doesn't lose her mind, I have four more
> of this author's
> > works that are formatted similarly.
> >
> > Happy scanning.
> >
> > Mayrie
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Jill O'Connell
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:27 AM
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something
> for me
> >
> > Mary, as the scanner of Identical, would it be better
> if I preserved
> > images?
> >
> > I have never done this before but would be willing to
> read the Kurzweil
> > manual to help figure out what I am doing. Thank you.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mayrie ReNae"
> <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:21 AM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something
> for me
> >
> >
> >> Hi Cindy,
> >>
> >> Setting indentations doesn't stick. People
> choose within their
> >> daisy readers whether they want indentations at
> the beginning of
> >> paragraphs,
> >> or a double line space. All lines following a
> hard return are indented
> >> in
> >> braille. Putting The first word of each indented
> line in all caps would
> >> work, but only if no other words are in all caps
> for any other reason at
> >> the
> >> beginning of lines.
> >>
> >> I do admit that seeing the dashes might be
> annoying, but I don't
> >> know of another solution for this problem. In
> braille they can easily be
> >> skipped over. With speech how much punctuation is
> spoken can eliminate
> >> having to hear them, and the reader can search for
> them when he/she so
> >> chooses.
> >>
> >> Another little possible hitch. A braille line, in
> many cases is
> >> limited to forty characters. For this reason,
> I'd change my previous
> >> recommendation that all indented lines be preceded
> by dashes equal to the
> >> number of spaces the lines are indented. I think
> this would be a good
> >> idea
> >> if the poem has shape, as in the case of the sword
> that you mentioned, so
> >> that the shape is maintained. However, in the
> books that I've looked at,
> >> sometimes blocks of text is offset to the right in
> just that blocks, or
> >> as
> >> single lines. In those cases, I think the amount
> of indentation isn't as
> >> important as the fact that the indentation exists.
> In such cases, I'd
> >> think
> >> that preceding these lines as a matter of course
> with (perhaps) four
> >> dashes
> >> would be sufficient.
> >>
> >> I can't tell you how thrilled I am that you
> are willing to take on
> >> this book! I have wanted to read this
> author's work since I was first
> >> told
> >> about her, but am completely unwilling to read
> them in any form that
> >> sacrifices the form of the poetry. It's
> important! I have tried many
> >> options for scanning and recognition myself, but
> discovered, sadly, that
> >> I
> >> can't do this work justice without the help of
> a sighted person.And, if,
> >> after you finish this one, and you aren't
> either ready to tear your hair
> >> out, or totally frustrated or discouraged, I have
> four other books by
> >> this
> >> author that I'd love to see made a part of the
> Bookshare collection and
> >> would be THRILLED to scan!
> >>
> >> I know that this book will be a LOT of intensive
> work! And I, for
> >> one, truly appreciate your willingness to do what
> is necessary to
> >> preserve
> >> the form of the poetry!
> >>
> >> If you have any other questions, please, feel free
> to contact me
> >> either off or on the list and I'll either
> clarify anything I've made a
> >> hash
> >> of in this note, or help you brainstorm other
> solutions that will
> >> preserve
> >> the poetry and maybe lessen the amount of work you
> have to do, while
> >> still
> >> preserving the poetry's form.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> Mayrie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Cindy Rosenthal
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:33 PM
> >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check
> something for me
> >>
> >> Thanks, Mayrie.
> >>
> >> I must admit that I don't understand why
> setting the margins doesn't
> >> work.
> >> Making first lines indented works, or doesn't
> it?
> >>
> >> I did plan to use the hard return at the end of
> lines and asterisks
> >> between
> >> the verses. I was thinking of setting the margins
> initially, or first
> >> lines
> >> indented at 5 and then the words that are at the
> left-hand margin flush
> >> left. Or making the word that's at the
> left-hand margin Bold or caps and
> >> on
> >> a line by itself. If you think neither will work
> I'll use the dashes, but
> >> isn't that annoying, or can Braille and Daisy
> be set to ignore them?
> >>
> >> Cindy
> >>>
> >>> Here is what I believe will work, and the only
> thing that
> >>> probably
> >>> will to preserve the placing of poetry on the
> page where
> >>> the author placed
> >>> it.
> >>>
> >>> To indicate blank lines, place an asterisk on
> the blank
> >>> line.
> >>>
> >>> For a line that is not flush left, I'd
> place a dash to
> >>> fill up each
> >>> space on the line that is blank before the
> beginning of the
> >>> line. A hard
> >>> return at the end of every line will preserve
> the end of
> >>> the line. I would
> >>> use a dash for this and not an asterisk
> because an asterisk
> >>> in braille takes
> >>> up two spaces and that would throw off the
> simetry of the
> >>> poem. I suggest
> >>> dashes because we know they translate properly
> to both
> >>> daisy and brf files.
> >>>
> >>> I'm positive that my suggestion will work
> to preserve
> >>> the placement of text
> >>> on the page.
> >>>
> >>> Mayrie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of
> >>> Cindy Rosenthal
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:42 PM
> >>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Please check
> something for me
> >>>
> >>> Dear Booksharians (thanks, Lissi).
> >>>
> >>> Would someone PUhLEESE download Alphabestiary
> by Jane Yolen
> >>> for me and look
> >>> at the poem Ant Song and tell me where it is
> on the page? I
> >>> didn't know,
> >>> then, that line spaces were deleted, so all
> the verses of
> >>> all the poems are
> >>> no doubt run together, but I need to know if
> my resetting
> >>> margins so that
> >>> some poems are flush left and others, like Ant
> Song, are
> >>> placed in the
> >>> middle of the page.
> >>>
> >>> In a while I'll be validating Identical.
> I've
> >>> looked at the book, though I
> >>> won't be able to get to it until I do a
> couple of
> >>> others (Jill, there's no
> >>> hurry), and I have several ideas what to do,
> but one of
> >>> them involves
> >>> changing the margins for parts.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy
> >>>
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