Thanks, Mayrie. I'll reply offlist. smile Cindy WISH LIST (CALLED REQUESTED ADDITIONS TO THE BOOKSHARE COLLECTION)IS AVAILABLE AT http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/wish_list/wish_list.htm www.lljfm.net/bookshare/home.htm A LIST OF BOOKS CURRENTLY BEING SCANNED IS AVAILABLE AT http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/ www.lljfm.net/bookshare/home.htm --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 12:21 AM > Hi Cindy, > > Setting indentations doesn't stick. People choose > within their > daisy readers whether they want indentations at the > beginning of paragraphs, > or a double line space. All lines following a hard return > are indented in > braille. Putting The first word of each indented line in > all caps would > work, but only if no other words are in all caps for any > other reason at the > beginning of lines. > > I do admit that seeing the dashes might be annoying, but I > don't > know of another solution for this problem. In braille they > can easily be > skipped over. With speech how much punctuation is spoken > can eliminate > having to hear them, and the reader can search for them > when he/she so > chooses. > > Another little possible hitch. A braille line, in many > cases is > limited to forty characters. For this reason, I'd > change my previous > recommendation that all indented lines be preceded by > dashes equal to the > number of spaces the lines are indented. I think this > would be a good idea > if the poem has shape, as in the case of the sword that you > mentioned, so > that the shape is maintained. However, in the books that > I've looked at, > sometimes blocks of text is offset to the right in just > that blocks, or as > single lines. In those cases, I think the amount of > indentation isn't as > important as the fact that the indentation exists. In such > cases, I'd think > that preceding these lines as a matter of course with > (perhaps) four dashes > would be sufficient. > > I can't tell you how thrilled I am that you are > willing to take on > this book! I have wanted to read this author's work > since I was first told > about her, but am completely unwilling to read them in any > form that > sacrifices the form of the poetry. It's important! I > have tried many > options for scanning and recognition myself, but > discovered, sadly, that I > can't do this work justice without the help of a > sighted person.And, if, > after you finish this one, and you aren't either ready > to tear your hair > out, or totally frustrated or discouraged, I have four > other books by this > author that I'd love to see made a part of the > Bookshare collection and > would be THRILLED to scan! > > I know that this book will be a LOT of intensive work! > And I, for > one, truly appreciate your willingness to do what is > necessary to preserve > the form of the poetry! > > If you have any other questions, please, feel free to > contact me > either off or on the list and I'll either clarify > anything I've made a hash > of in this note, or help you brainstorm other solutions > that will preserve > the poetry and maybe lessen the amount of work you have to > do, while still > preserving the poetry's form. > > Thank you. > > Mayrie > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Cindy Rosenthal > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:33 PM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me > > Thanks, Mayrie. > > I must admit that I don't understand why setting the > margins doesn't work. > Making first lines indented works, or doesn't it? > > I did plan to use the hard return at the end of lines and > asterisks between > the verses. I was thinking of setting the margins > initially, or first lines > indented at 5 and then the words that are at the left-hand > margin flush > left. Or making the word that's at the left-hand margin > Bold or caps and on > a line by itself. If you think neither will work I'll > use the dashes, but > isn't that annoying, or can Braille and Daisy be set to > ignore them? > > Cindy > > > > Here is what I believe will work, and the only thing > that > > probably > > will to preserve the placing of poetry on the page > where > > the author placed > > it. > > > > To indicate blank lines, place an asterisk on the > blank > > line. > > > > For a line that is not flush left, I'd place a > dash to > > fill up each > > space on the line that is blank before the beginning > of the > > line. A hard > > return at the end of every line will preserve the end > of > > the line. I would > > use a dash for this and not an asterisk because an > asterisk > > in braille takes > > up two spaces and that would throw off the simetry of > the > > poem. I suggest > > dashes because we know they translate properly to both > > daisy and brf files. > > > > I'm positive that my suggestion will work to > preserve > > the placement of text > > on the page. > > > > Mayrie > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of > > Cindy Rosenthal > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:42 PM > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Please check something for > me > > > > Dear Booksharians (thanks, Lissi). > > > > Would someone PUhLEESE download Alphabestiary by Jane > Yolen > > for me and look > > at the poem Ant Song and tell me where it is on the > page? I > > didn't know, > > then, that line spaces were deleted, so all the verses > of > > all the poems are > > no doubt run together, but I need to know if my > resetting > > margins so that > > some poems are flush left and others, like Ant Song, > are > > placed in the > > middle of the page. > > > > In a while I'll be validating Identical. I've > > looked at the book, though I > > won't be able to get to it until I do a couple of > > others (Jill, there's no > > hurry), and I have several ideas what to do, but one > of > > them involves > > changing the margins for parts. > > > > Cindy > > > > WISH LIST (CALLED REQUESTED ADDITIONS TO THE BOOKSHARE > > COLLECTION)IS > > AVAILABLE AT > > > http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/wish_list/wish_list.htm > > www.lljfm.net/bookshare/home.htm > > > > A LIST OF BOOKS CURRENTLY BEING SCANNED IS AVAILABLE > AT > > http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/ > > www.lljfm.net/bookshare/home.htm > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the > subject > > line. 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