[bksvol-discuss] Re: Pictures on unnumbered pages
- From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:58:23 -0600
If the pictures are captioned and linked to adjacent text, I would bracket the
information on the page it associates with something like:
[picture description/caption from unnumbered page: blah blah blah]
if a description is not necessary or available, above with only caption
notation.
if there is no description or caption available, I would bracket like this:
[picture removed, description unavailable]
Others will weigh in, I am sure.
Valerie
On Jan 22, 2010, at 6:43 PM, Melissa Smith wrote:
> Carrie, Valerie is correct. There is page 6 with text, an unnumbered page
> with picture, unnumbered blank page, page 7 with text. I most definitely know
> not to remove pages that are numbered or do not have numbers, but are counted
> in the page count. In other words, if it went page 6 with text, picture page,
> blank page, page 99 with text. I've seen many a book with the picture
> inserts, which are, usually, several pages of pictures in the middle of a
> book, but this was a little different, because they are just single pages
> that are scattered throughout the text. They go with the text, and so I was
> just trying to decide the best way to handle them. My thought was to keep the
> page with the picture caption, and perhaps have a sighted person describe
> them, and eliminate the blank pages. I just wasn't sure that was going to be
> the best way to handle it.
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
> Carrie Karnos wrote:
>> That's fine. No problem if someone removes pages from the middle of a book
>> as long as the page numbering is preserved. My problem is when someone
>> deletes blank pages 8 and 9, so page 7 is immediately followed by page 10.
>> When I look at the book in the approval queue, the page numbering is messed
>> up, so I return it for more editing. If you include pages 8 and 9, and put
>> [blank page] on them, then I'm a happy camper. I'll approve the book.
>>
>> Thanks for asking me to clarify! Carrie
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Sent:* Fri, January 22, 2010 3:57:26 PM
>> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pictures on unnumbered pages
>>
>> Carrie;
>>
>> My impression was that these pages (the picture page and blank page) would
>> NOT alter current numbering. In other words, it was like this:
>> p 6 text
>> picture page
>> blank page
>> p 7 text
>>
>> Kind of like picture inserts.
>>
>> Valerie
>>
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Carrie Karnos wrote:
>>
>>> No please, don't omit unnumbered pages! It throws the page numbering off.
>>> Please keep the blank pages, put a page number on them, and either [blank
>>> page] or a description of the image. Here's a section from the Volunteer
>>> manual:
>>>
>>>
>>> Do Not Remove Blank Pages If Page Numbering Will Be Affected
>>>
>>> Blank pages are often found in the following places in books:
>>>
>>> * After the Table of Contents
>>> * After the Dedication
>>> * After the Acknowledgments
>>> * After pages which identify a section of the book as Part I,
>>> Part II, etc.
>>> * Between chapters
>>> * Before the Glossary
>>> * Before the Index
>>> * Before the appendices
>>>
>>> Blank pages should only be removed if doing so does not affect a book's
>>> page numbering. For example, it is sometimes obvious that a blank page is
>>> page 85 because the page before it is numbered 84 and the page after it is
>>> numbered 86. In this instance, the blank page should not be removed, and it
>>> may be helpful to add the page number to the page to help prevent it from
>>> accidentally being lost when converting the file to a different format,
>>> accidentally being removed by a volunteer during proofreading, mis-numbered
>>> by the tool which processes page numbers for DAISY books, or by the tool
>>> responsible for identifying original page numbers in BRF books.
>>>
>>> Note that books often begin numbering pages with the first page of the main
>>> content, but page numbering can also begin with the first page of a book.
>>> When numbering begins with the first page of the book, then blank pages
>>> should be included in the front of the book to preserve page numbering.
>>>
>>> Some books will have photos, advertisements, or other material in the
>>> middle of the book. Remove these pages only if they do not disrupt the page
>>> numbers. Many times the pages on each side of the material will be
>>> sequential (for example, page 112, six pages, page 113). In this case,
>>> please remove the pages from the scan to preserve page numbering.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks! Carrie
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* Kathy Hester <kathyruth@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kathyruth@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>>> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> *Sent:* Fri, January 22, 2010 1:19:48 PM
>>> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pictures on unnumbered pages
>>>
>>> Since the pages wouldn't affect the consecutive numbering, couldn't they
>>> just be omitted? If you prefer to put them in, you could just put them in
>>> at the end of the book with a small note saying that they were on
>>> unnumbered pages, and gather all the captions together on one page, not
>>> mentioning the blank pages, so that the book wouldn't have so many pages
>>> added to what its numbering suggests. I would think that would be
>>> permissible since the pages are not numbered.
>>>
>>> Good luck with it.
>>>
>>> Kathy
>>>
>>>
>>> > "The LORD bless you and keep you;
>>> > the LORD make His face shine upon you
>>> > and be gracious to you;
>>> > the LORD turn His face toward you
>>> > and give you peace."
>>> > Numbers 6:24-26
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Smith" <mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx>>
>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:43 PM
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Pictures on unnumbered pages
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm currently working on a book from the 1930's. There are pictures
>>> scattered through out the book, but the pages that they appear on are
>>> not numbered. Also, the facing page is blank and unnumbered. For
>>> example, page 6 with text, unnumbered page with picture, unnumbered
>>> blank page, page 7 with text. I have 2 questions. First, would you
>>> eliminate the blank pages or label them as blank? Can the unnumbered
>>> picture pages be left where they are, or should they be moved to the end
>>> of the book? I will be doing some other books from this period, and it
>>> appears that this is often how pictures were handled at that time.
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> Melissa
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