[bksvol-discuss] Re: Pictures on unnumbered pages
- From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:14:03 -0600
Glad it made sense. I am not functioning at 100%, but relate to situations
like this.
Thanks for taking so much care handling this book. I always love hearing
stories of people trying hard to preserve integrity within our given
limitations. It is a challenge, but usually we can find an acceptable solution.
Have a great day!
Valerie
On Jan 23, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Melissa Smith wrote:
> Valerie,
> This makes the most sense for this situation. It will not mess up page
> numbering, but will keep the picture caption and description with the
> associated text.
> Thanks,
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
> Valerie Maples wrote:
>> If the pictures are captioned and linked to adjacent text, I would bracket
>> the information on the page it associates with something like:
>>
>> [picture description/caption from unnumbered page: blah blah blah]
>>
>> if a description is not necessary or available, above with only caption
>> notation.
>> if there is no description or caption available, I would bracket like this:
>>
>> [picture removed, description unavailable]
>>
>> Others will weigh in, I am sure.
>>
>> Valerie
>>
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2010, at 6:43 PM, Melissa Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Carrie, Valerie is correct. There is page 6 with text, an unnumbered page
>>> with picture, unnumbered blank page, page 7 with text. I most definitely
>>> know not to remove pages that are numbered or do not have numbers, but are
>>> counted in the page count. In other words, if it went page 6 with text,
>>> picture page, blank page, page 99 with text. I've seen many a book with the
>>> picture inserts, which are, usually, several pages of pictures in the
>>> middle of a book, but this was a little different, because they are just
>>> single pages that are scattered throughout the text. They go with the text,
>>> and so I was just trying to decide the best way to handle them. My thought
>>> was to keep the page with the picture caption, and perhaps have a sighted
>>> person describe them, and eliminate the blank pages. I just wasn't sure
>>> that was going to be the best way to handle it.
>>>
>>> Melissa
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Carrie Karnos wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's fine. No problem if someone removes pages from the middle of a book
>>>> as long as the page numbering is preserved. My problem is when someone
>>>> deletes blank pages 8 and 9, so page 7 is immediately followed by page 10.
>>>> When I look at the book in the approval queue, the page numbering is
>>>> messed up, so I return it for more editing. If you include pages 8 and 9,
>>>> and put [blank page] on them, then I'm a happy camper. I'll approve the
>>>> book.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for asking me to clarify! Carrie
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> *Sent:* Fri, January 22, 2010 3:57:26 PM
>>>> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pictures on unnumbered pages
>>>>
>>>> Carrie;
>>>>
>>>> My impression was that these pages (the picture page and blank page) would
>>>> NOT alter current numbering. In other words, it was like this:
>>>> p 6 text
>>>> picture page
>>>> blank page
>>>> p 7 text
>>>>
>>>> Kind of like picture inserts.
>>>>
>>>> Valerie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Carrie Karnos wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> No please, don't omit unnumbered pages! It throws the page numbering off.
>>>>> Please keep the blank pages, put a page number on them, and either [blank
>>>>> page] or a description of the image. Here's a section from the Volunteer
>>>>> manual:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do Not Remove Blank Pages If Page Numbering Will Be Affected
>>>>>
>>>>> Blank pages are often found in the following places in books:
>>>>>
>>>>> * After the Table of Contents
>>>>> * After the Dedication
>>>>> * After the Acknowledgments
>>>>> * After pages which identify a section of the book as Part I,
>>>>> Part II, etc.
>>>>> * Between chapters
>>>>> * Before the Glossary
>>>>> * Before the Index
>>>>> * Before the appendices
>>>>>
>>>>> Blank pages should only be removed if doing so does not affect a book's
>>>>> page numbering. For example, it is sometimes obvious that a blank page is
>>>>> page 85 because the page before it is numbered 84 and the page after it
>>>>> is numbered 86. In this instance, the blank page should not be removed,
>>>>> and it may be helpful to add the page number to the page to help prevent
>>>>> it from accidentally being lost when converting the file to a different
>>>>> format, accidentally being removed by a volunteer during proofreading,
>>>>> mis-numbered by the tool which processes page numbers for DAISY books, or
>>>>> by the tool responsible for identifying original page numbers in BRF
>>>>> books.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that books often begin numbering pages with the first page of the
>>>>> main content, but page numbering can also begin with the first page of a
>>>>> book. When numbering begins with the first page of the book, then blank
>>>>> pages should be included in the front of the book to preserve page
>>>>> numbering.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some books will have photos, advertisements, or other material in the
>>>>> middle of the book. Remove these pages only if they do not disrupt the
>>>>> page numbers. Many times the pages on each side of the material will be
>>>>> sequential (for example, page 112, six pages, page 113). In this case,
>>>>> please remove the pages from the scan to preserve page numbering.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks! Carrie
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Kathy Hester <kathyruth@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kathyruth@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> *Sent:* Fri, January 22, 2010 1:19:48 PM
>>>>> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pictures on unnumbered pages
>>>>>
>>>>> Since the pages wouldn't affect the consecutive numbering, couldn't they
>>>>> just be omitted? If you prefer to put them in, you could just put them
>>>>> in at the end of the book with a small note saying that they were on
>>>>> unnumbered pages, and gather all the captions together on one page, not
>>>>> mentioning the blank pages, so that the book wouldn't have so many pages
>>>>> added to what its numbering suggests. I would think that would be
>>>>> permissible since the pages are not numbered.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kathy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "The LORD bless you and keep you;
>>>>>> the LORD make His face shine upon you
>>>>>> and be gracious to you;
>>>>>> the LORD turn His face toward you
>>>>>> and give you peace."
>>>>>> Numbers 6:24-26
>>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Smith" <mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx
>>>>> <mailto:mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx>>
>>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:43 PM
>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Pictures on unnumbered pages
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm currently working on a book from the 1930's. There are pictures
>>>>> scattered through out the book, but the pages that they appear on are
>>>>> not numbered. Also, the facing page is blank and unnumbered. For
>>>>> example, page 6 with text, unnumbered page with picture, unnumbered
>>>>> blank page, page 7 with text. I have 2 questions. First, would you
>>>>> eliminate the blank pages or label them as blank? Can the unnumbered
>>>>> picture pages be left where they are, or should they be moved to the end
>>>>> of the book? I will be doing some other books from this period, and it
>>>>> appears that this is often how pictures were handled at that time.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Melissa
>>>>>
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