[bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear

  • From: "k4zq" <k4zq@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:12:35 -0400

Evan,

Didn't quite get this one. 

Btw, ain't it fun to start a really interesting thread and see where it goes?

Peace,
Ernie
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Evan Reese 
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:18 PM
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear


  Sorry, Ernie, but if you know why references without the word "fissures" are 
no good, could you clue me in, please?

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: k4zq 
    To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:07 AM
    Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear


    Amy,

    Seems as though my friend Evan is short on patience.  The reference we were 
eluding to is from "The Two Towers" Book 4, chapter 4 "Of Herbs and Stewed 
Rabbits."

    Ernie
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Amy Goldring Tajalli 
      To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:00 PM
      Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear


      Sorry I stepped on toes.  The goblins must have gotten into my mail and I 
missed that one.  I did get references but I don't remember getting one with 
the exact quotation and the word "fissures". I would have remembered as I have 
an image in my mind of the cavity but not one from the movie as I have 
deliberately tried to forget the movies and gave away my copies. I have seen 
illustrations of the quartet of books over the years in the calendars as well 
as elsewhere and it may have been one of those which I remember but it gave no 
view of the bottom.  Again, sorry I missed your email.


      ----Original Message ----- 
        From: Evan Reese 
        To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:21 PM
        Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear


        Maybe you should read your mail more carefully.  If you had, you would 
have noticed that I quoted Sam's references to pans from The Two Towers last 
week.  I am a little miffed that you would imply that I hadn't supplied facts 
to back up my assertion that he used pans.  I even said that I had looked it 
up.  It is true that I didn't mention that the quotes were from The Two Towers, 
but I would have thought that you would have known that because the incident 
the quotes came from was mentioned in the discussion.  Perhaps you don't know 
the books very well.

        Finally some facts, indeed!

          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Amy Goldring Tajalli 
          To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
          Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:16 AM
          Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear


          Sanity and facts finally. Thanks.

          Amy
            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Estelnalissi 
            To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
            Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:46 AM
            Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear


            Dear Tolkien Booksharians,

            Sam would be touched that his beloved pans garnered so much 
attention.  This one's for you, Sam.

            "'And he (Stinker) isn't going to mess with my pans!' With that he 
carried all the gear away to one of the many gaping fissures that scored the 
land and threw them in. The clatter of his precious pans as they fell down in 
to the dark was like a death-knell to his heart."

            BTW
            Peter Jackson expressed remorse that he didn't make more of this 
emotional moment in his ROTK film 

            Always with love,

            Lissi

            "Maybe I should write a book called one hundred and one ways to use 
a frying pan." 
            Sam Gamgee 
            in Tolkien fanfiction by Alatariel
              ----- Original Message ----- 
              From: Amy Goldring Tajalli 
              To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
              Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:51 AM
              Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear


              I still must rely on memory as the books are not readily 
available (I can check later if anyone wants me to) but I do believe that 
nowhere else in the trilogy are the pans specified except as "cooking gear"  
which, as has been said, was left in the depression (aptly named I think) as it 
was not said to be a hole or bottomless but it was never detail until the " 
stewed coneys" and, I think, an earlier reference to the lack of salt which Sam 
forgot. 

              Amy


              ----- Original Message ----- 
                From: k4zq 
                To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:25 PM
                Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear


                Glad you corrected me, Evan.

                My skin ai'nt that thin.

                Ernie
                  ----- Original Message ----- 
                  From: Evan Reese 
                  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                  Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:33 PM
                  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear


                  You are forgiven, but it is a grave offense to get something 
like that wrong; so please watch it. <grin>

                  Besides, maybe you are the one who should forgive me.  After 
having looked up the matter for someone else, and having said so, I may have 
been a bit terse.

                    ----- Original Message ----- 
                    From: k4zq 
                    To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                    Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:49 AM
                    Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear


                    Evan,

                    Meant to indicate that the memory was foggy.  On further 
thought, believe sam did say something about Golum getting into hot watter if 
he damaged one of "my pans."  

                    Forgive.

                    Ernie
                      ----- Original Message ----- 
                      From: Evan Reese 
                      To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                      Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:24 PM
                      Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear


                      He used pans to stew the rabits, as I have already shown.

                        ----- Original Message ----- 
                        From: k4zq 
                        To: books ` list 
                        Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:41 PM
                        Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Sam's cooking gear


                        Sam used a small pot to stew his rabbits, but when he 
dumped his gear in Mordor, there were a couple of pans.  One of them may have 
been a frying pan, but right now, can't remember.

                        Ernie


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