[bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear

  • From: "Amy Goldring Tajalli" <agoldringtajalli@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:54:23 -0400

Ernie, 

The recordings you are talking about are delightful  but before buying those 
with tight budgets might check in the a/v department of their library or 
interlibrary loan if their library doesn't have them. Many of the Recorded 
Books are now available on casette or cd and for those fans of Caedmon Spoken 
Word recording they, too, are available from Recorded Books. Caedmon Recordings 
are still available under that name as a subsidiary of Recorded Books or 
otherwise connected to them as many of the recordings of Authors reading 
excerpts of the own works are still available.For Austen fans all of her books 
are available, I believe, and I particularly recommend Flo Gibson's reading of 
Pride and Prejudice.  

Amy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: k4zq 
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:20 AM
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear


  Amy,  When I was about 14, my Uncle used to occasionally come up with a brace 
of young conies which he'd fry up, and he and I would have an enjoyable feast 
on fried Rabbit.

  Didn't see Pete, so guess he wasn't there.

  This list is weird!  You have just run into a bunch of us who are overly 
picky, because we have nothing better, to do.  so, Please, for Heaven's sake, 
try not to get all up tight and offended.

  If you're at all interested in a GREAT audible read of the books, Check out 
the edition from Recorded Books.  They're available from places like Buy.com 
for a nice price on either cassette or cd.

  Peace, 
  Ernie
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Amy Goldring Tajalli 
    To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:35 AM
    Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear


    Folks,

    I missed some mail not the pans or the conies.  I did not say fissures or 
holes or whatever you wish because I prefer being exact which is why I did not 
specify the place where the gear was left but I did remember the conies and the 
pans.  If you were to see my paperbacked copies of the books, and even my 
hardbacked copies, you would see annotations on almost every pages representing 
only the recent readings of the quarted.  I did not think I would have to give 
my credentials again but I have read the books every year since 1969 and have 
not resisted writing new ideas or connections that come to mind.  I have taught 
the books to college students in both lit. and writing courses as well as one 
group of post graduate students and faculty and have examined it  from many 
differents points of view.I did not want to specify one detail which I could 
not immediately recall but I did not want to offer incorrect information.  My 
books are available but not easily at the moment and I just could not make them 
available without more work that I thought the discussion warranted with all of 
you Tolkienites able to do the research more readily than I.  As for Sam's 
pans, until we sit down together and discuss the question with him I don't 
think there is much more to say except that stewed conies, even if cooked by 
Sam, is not a taste I would wish to acquire as I would have an image of Peter 
Cottontail in my mind's eye and would choke on them. 

    Enough said, I hope.

    Any  

    ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: k4zq 
      To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 11:40 AM
      Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear


      Geez Evan,

      I would NEVER become irritated, or say anything that would be possibly 
offensive to anyone.

      I understand your "outrage" it was just that I thought Amy might not know 
the books all that well, and could stand some gentle guidance.

      In the name of darkness, Forgive.

      Peace,
      Ernie
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Evan Reese 
        To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:11 AM
        Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear


        Well, she said that she did get references, but doesn't remember 
"getting one with the exact quotation and the word 'fissures'".  So I asked why 
the word "fissures" was necessary to convince her that he had used pans?  
Apparently, she had forgotten, or didn't know, about the stewed conies.  But 
even if either one of those is true, the fact that I had said I had looked it 
up, although not the sceen in ROTK she was obviously thinking of, and said 
again that I had looked it up when responding to a message from you, didn't 
seem to make an impression on her, my patience ran out.  I was getting the 
impression that my veracity was being questioned, and I get prickly at that.

        As one of my math teachers liked to say, "Clear as mud?".

        I have been wrong more than once on this list, and have clearly said 
so.  But when I specifically say that I have investigated the matter by going 
to the source and checking, and I am still doubted, I think I have a right to 
be at least a little irritated.

          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: k4zq 
          To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
          Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:12 AM
          Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear


          Evan,

          Didn't quite get this one. 

          Btw, ain't it fun to start a really interesting thread and see where 
it goes?

          Peace,
          Ernie
            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Evan Reese 
            To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
            Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:18 PM
            Subject: [bksvol-discuss] OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear


            Sorry, Ernie, but if you know why references without the word 
"fissures" are no good, could you clue me in, please?

              ----- Original Message ----- 
              From: k4zq 
              To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
              Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:07 AM
              Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear


              Amy,

              Seems as though my friend Evan is short on patience.  The 
reference we were eluding to is from "The Two Towers" Book 4, chapter 4 "Of 
Herbs and Stewed Rabbits."

              Ernie
                ----- Original Message ----- 
                From: Amy Goldring Tajalli 
                To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:00 PM
                Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear


                Sorry I stepped on toes.  The goblins must have gotten into my 
mail and I missed that one.  I did get references but I don't remember getting 
one with the exact quotation and the word "fissures". I would have remembered 
as I have an image in my mind of the cavity but not one from the movie as I 
have deliberately tried to forget the movies and gave away my copies. I have 
seen illustrations of the quartet of books over the years in the calendars as 
well as elsewhere and it may have been one of those which I remember but it 
gave no view of the bottom.  Again, sorry I missed your email.


                ----Original Message ----- 
                  From: Evan Reese 
                  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                  Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:21 PM
                  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear


                  Maybe you should read your mail more carefully.  If you had, 
you would have noticed that I quoted Sam's references to pans from The Two 
Towers last week.  I am a little miffed that you would imply that I hadn't 
supplied facts to back up my assertion that he used pans.  I even said that I 
had looked it up.  It is true that I didn't mention that the quotes were from 
The Two Towers, but I would have thought that you would have known that because 
the incident the quotes came from was mentioned in the discussion.  Perhaps you 
don't know the books very well.

                  Finally some facts, indeed!

                    ----- Original Message ----- 
                    From: Amy Goldring Tajalli 
                    To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                    Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:16 AM
                    Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear


                    Sanity and facts finally. Thanks.

                    Amy
                      ----- Original Message ----- 
                      From: Estelnalissi 
                      To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                      Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:46 AM
                      Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear


                      Dear Tolkien Booksharians,

                      Sam would be touched that his beloved pans garnered so 
much attention.  This one's for you, Sam.

                      "'And he (Stinker) isn't going to mess with my pans!' 
With that he carried all the gear away to one of the many gaping fissures that 
scored the land and threw them in. The clatter of his precious pans as they 
fell down in to the dark was like a death-knell to his heart."

                      BTW
                      Peter Jackson expressed remorse that he didn't make more 
of this emotional moment in his ROTK film 

                      Always with love,

                      Lissi

                      "Maybe I should write a book called one hundred and one 
ways to use a frying pan." 
                      Sam Gamgee 
                      in Tolkien fanfiction by Alatariel
                        ----- Original Message ----- 
                        From: Amy Goldring Tajalli 
                        To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                        Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:51 AM
                        Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear


                        I still must rely on memory as the books are not 
readily available (I can check later if anyone wants me to) but I do believe 
that nowhere else in the trilogy are the pans specified except as "cooking 
gear"  which, as has been said, was left in the depression (aptly named I 
think) as it was not said to be a hole or bottomless but it was never detail 
until the " stewed coneys" and, I think, an earlier reference to the lack of 
salt which Sam forgot. 

                        Amy


                        ----- Original Message ----- 
                          From: k4zq 
                          To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                          Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:25 PM
                          Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear


                          Glad you corrected me, Evan.

                          My skin ai'nt that thin.

                          Ernie
                            ----- Original Message ----- 
                            From: Evan Reese 
                            To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                            Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:33 PM
                            Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear


                            You are forgiven, but it is a grave offense to get 
something like that wrong; so please watch it. <grin>

                            Besides, maybe you are the one who should forgive 
me.  After having looked up the matter for someone else, and having said so, I 
may have been a bit terse.

                              ----- Original Message ----- 
                              From: k4zq 
                              To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                              Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:49 AM
                              Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear


                              Evan,

                              Meant to indicate that the memory was foggy.  On 
further thought, believe sam did say something about Golum getting into hot 
watter if he damaged one of "my pans."  

                              Forgive.

                              Ernie
                                ----- Original Message ----- 
                                From: Evan Reese 
                                To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                                Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:24 PM
                                Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear


                                He used pans to stew the rabits, as I have 
already shown.

                                ----- Original Message ----- 
                                From: k4zq 
                                To: books ` list 
                                Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:41 PM
                                Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Sam's cooking gear


                                Sam used a small pot to stew his rabbits, but 
when he dumped his gear in Mordor, there were a couple of pans.  One of them 
may have been a frying pan, but right now, can't remember.

                                Ernie


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