[bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
- From: "Amy Goldring Tajalli" <agoldringtajalli@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:35:40 -0400
Folks,
I missed some mail not the pans or the conies. I did not say fissures or holes
or whatever you wish because I prefer being exact which is why I did not
specify the place where the gear was left but I did remember the conies and the
pans. If you were to see my paperbacked copies of the books, and even my
hardbacked copies, you would see annotations on almost every pages representing
only the recent readings of the quarted. I did not think I would have to give
my credentials again but I have read the books every year since 1969 and have
not resisted writing new ideas or connections that come to mind. I have taught
the books to college students in both lit. and writing courses as well as one
group of post graduate students and faculty and have examined it from many
differents points of view.I did not want to specify one detail which I could
not immediately recall but I did not want to offer incorrect information. My
books are available but not easily at the moment and I just could not make them
available without more work that I thought the discussion warranted with all of
you Tolkienites able to do the research more readily than I. As for Sam's
pans, until we sit down together and discuss the question with him I don't
think there is much more to say except that stewed conies, even if cooked by
Sam, is not a taste I would wish to acquire as I would have an image of Peter
Cottontail in my mind's eye and would choke on them.
Enough said, I hope.
Any
----- Original Message -----
From: k4zq
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 11:40 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
Geez Evan,
I would NEVER become irritated, or say anything that would be possibly
offensive to anyone.
I understand your "outrage" it was just that I thought Amy might not know the
books all that well, and could stand some gentle guidance.
In the name of darkness, Forgive.
Peace,
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: Evan Reese
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
Well, she said that she did get references, but doesn't remember "getting
one with the exact quotation and the word 'fissures'". So I asked why the word
"fissures" was necessary to convince her that he had used pans? Apparently,
she had forgotten, or didn't know, about the stewed conies. But even if either
one of those is true, the fact that I had said I had looked it up, although not
the sceen in ROTK she was obviously thinking of, and said again that I had
looked it up when responding to a message from you, didn't seem to make an
impression on her, my patience ran out. I was getting the impression that my
veracity was being questioned, and I get prickly at that.
As one of my math teachers liked to say, "Clear as mud?".
I have been wrong more than once on this list, and have clearly said so.
But when I specifically say that I have investigated the matter by going to the
source and checking, and I am still doubted, I think I have a right to be at
least a little irritated.
----- Original Message -----
From: k4zq
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:12 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
Evan,
Didn't quite get this one.
Btw, ain't it fun to start a really interesting thread and see where it
goes?
Peace,
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: Evan Reese
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
Sorry, Ernie, but if you know why references without the word
"fissures" are no good, could you clue me in, please?
----- Original Message -----
From: k4zq
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:07 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
Amy,
Seems as though my friend Evan is short on patience. The reference
we were eluding to is from "The Two Towers" Book 4, chapter 4 "Of Herbs and
Stewed Rabbits."
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: Amy Goldring Tajalli
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:00 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
Sorry I stepped on toes. The goblins must have gotten into my mail
and I missed that one. I did get references but I don't remember getting one
with the exact quotation and the word "fissures". I would have remembered as I
have an image in my mind of the cavity but not one from the movie as I have
deliberately tried to forget the movies and gave away my copies. I have seen
illustrations of the quartet of books over the years in the calendars as well
as elsewhere and it may have been one of those which I remember but it gave no
view of the bottom. Again, sorry I missed your email.
----Original Message -----
From: Evan Reese
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
Maybe you should read your mail more carefully. If you had, you
would have noticed that I quoted Sam's references to pans from The Two Towers
last week. I am a little miffed that you would imply that I hadn't supplied
facts to back up my assertion that he used pans. I even said that I had looked
it up. It is true that I didn't mention that the quotes were from The Two
Towers, but I would have thought that you would have known that because the
incident the quotes came from was mentioned in the discussion. Perhaps you
don't know the books very well.
Finally some facts, indeed!
----- Original Message -----
From: Amy Goldring Tajalli
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:16 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
Sanity and facts finally. Thanks.
Amy
----- Original Message -----
From: Estelnalissi
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:46 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
Dear Tolkien Booksharians,
Sam would be touched that his beloved pans garnered so much
attention. This one's for you, Sam.
"'And he (Stinker) isn't going to mess with my pans!' With
that he carried all the gear away to one of the many gaping fissures that
scored the land and threw them in. The clatter of his precious pans as they
fell down in to the dark was like a death-knell to his heart."
BTW
Peter Jackson expressed remorse that he didn't make more of
this emotional moment in his ROTK film
Always with love,
Lissi
"Maybe I should write a book called one hundred and one ways
to use a frying pan."
Sam Gamgee
in Tolkien fanfiction by Alatariel
----- Original Message -----
From: Amy Goldring Tajalli
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:51 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
I still must rely on memory as the books are not readily
available (I can check later if anyone wants me to) but I do believe that
nowhere else in the trilogy are the pans specified except as "cooking gear"
which, as has been said, was left in the depression (aptly named I think) as it
was not said to be a hole or bottomless but it was never detail until the "
stewed coneys" and, I think, an earlier reference to the lack of salt which Sam
forgot.
Amy
----- Original Message -----
From: k4zq
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:25 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
Glad you corrected me, Evan.
My skin ai'nt that thin.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: Evan Reese
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
You are forgiven, but it is a grave offense to get
something like that wrong; so please watch it. <grin>
Besides, maybe you are the one who should forgive me.
After having looked up the matter for someone else, and having said so, I may
have been a bit terse.
----- Original Message -----
From: k4zq
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:49 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
Evan,
Meant to indicate that the memory was foggy. On
further thought, believe sam did say something about Golum getting into hot
watter if he damaged one of "my pans."
Forgive.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: Evan Reese
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:24 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
He used pans to stew the rabits, as I have already
shown.
----- Original Message -----
From: k4zq
To: books ` list
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:41 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Sam's cooking gear
Sam used a small pot to stew his rabbits, but
when he dumped his gear in Mordor, there were a couple of pans. One of them
may have been a frying pan, but right now, can't remember.
Ernie
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