[bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing chapter headings
- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:17:39 -0700
Hi Laura Ann,
I think you've got it. Blank lines won't protect your chapter
headings.
I agree that it is frustrating. But I'm absolutely positive that as
soon as staff has an absolutely definitive answer, someone will tell us.
Until then, I will just continue to do what I know works. And very
thankfully, it harms nothing in the book to do what I do!
Also, if you want to use the asterisks and be assured that they will
not turn into a solid line, type this:
Asterisk space asterisk space asterisk (then hit enter to insert a carriage
return/paragraph mark.
Mayrie
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Laura Ann
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:47 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing chapter headings
no need to apolgize Mary.
I am glad you brought it up.
Its good to discuss.
I have been volunteering for years and its frustrating that none of
this is in the manual.
I think that bookshare should tell us in the manual how to avoid
having chapter headings and text eaten by the stripper.
so it will eat chapter headings even if there are a couple blank
lines above them?
I know last year we discussed something about the line of stars but
that that will turn into a line or something solid....and then speech
doesn't read it any longer.
I tried the stars last year but quit due to how the **** would turn
into reading silence
That is why I was asking for bookshare staff to clarify what needs to be
done.
All of us spend so much time trying to strive to do quality work and
then if the stripper takes it out its for not.
Hope that makes sense?
Laura Ann
At 11:59 PM 3/27/2009, you wrote:
>Hi Marilyn and Laura Ann,
>
> There needs to be some text above the chapter heading for the
>stripper to eat. Page numbers make sense to me. They are what I use and
>they work. Leaving just a blank line, Laura Ann, I'm sorry to say is not
>sufficient. I repeat, there has to be some text above the chapter heading
>for the stripper to eat. It's hungry and mean! Sue's asterisks work too
for
>books that have page numbers at the bottom. I just consider it less
>keystrokes to type a page number rather than * * *. What I just typed is
>five keystrokes. At worst, and that would be bad, a page number is going to
>be four keystrokes.
>
> If asterisks are used by folks editing at all in Microsoft Word,
>they need to have spaces between them and a carriage after the third. If
>the asterisks are not separated by spaces, or are followed by a space, a
>long line is wht Word thinks it should put there.
>
> I was trying to keep this from getting complicated and becoming a
>run-away thread. I just think that new people need to know about this
>issue, was frustrated with the books that I downloaded, and thought it
ought
>to be mentioned for the benefit of everyone once in a while.
>
> I'm sorry Sue. I really did just intend to have it be a
one-message
>reminder.
>
>Mayrie
>
>
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marilyn Beasley
>Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:36 PM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Laura Ann
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing chapter headings
>
>Laura Ann,
>
>Shhh! Be vewwy qwuiet, we're hunting wabbits.
>(Actually, Sue S. didn't want us starting this thread, and now we've gone
>and done it. I shouldn't
>bring Elmer Fudd into it.)
>
>I always do the pages the way Mayrie wrote, and I haven't had a complaint.
>Mayrie has
>download some of the books I've proofread, and she says the chapter
headings
>are there.
>And I also take Sue's advice and put three asterisks with spaces (* * *)
>above new chapter
>headings, no matter where they are in a book, sometimes they're not at the
>top of the
>page.
>
>I haven't found a fast way to move the page numbers from the bottom of the
>page to the
>top, unfortunately. And I don't understand why the page numbers aren't
>eaten, but I'm a
>believer.
>
>Best of luck,
>Marilyn
>
>
>On Mar 27, 2009, at 11:26 PM, Laura Ann wrote:
>
>
> I don't know....I haven't seen a bookshare staff memeber answer
this
>question yet.
> I hope we will get an official word on it sometime soon.
>
> I have also emailed privately trying to make sure I am doing it
>right so we don't loose the first line of text to the stripper.
>
> But I haven't heard anything so not sure.
>
> I do the pattern like Mary suggest of blank line, chapter heading,
>blank line text.
> I insert blank lines at the top of all pages hoping the stripper
>doesn't take part of the book out.
> I on books that have page numbers leave them and on ones that
don't
>leave them out.
> I prefer the leaving them out due to how it reads when listening
to
>fiction.
> I leave them in on non fiction.
>
> I didn't realize that the stripper could take out the text of the
>book last year though and have tried Sue's ** to protect and thought
>someone had said with the new stripper it doesn't take out the text....
>
> so not sure and not sure either from a bookshare staff on Page
>numbers vs not putting them in.
>
> I know listening its not pleasant to hear the page number read
twice
>on the stream or in a program on the computer from the daisy file when page
>numbers are left and I have emailed from the bookshare web site and from my
>email account asking if the page numbers are necessary for daisy navagation
>but never heard back on it.
>
> I would like to know from bookshare staff how the new site and new
>stripper and daisy navagation handles
> page numbers
> text
> chapter headings so they are protected.
> what protacall do they want us as volunteers to follow for daisy
>navagation
>
> I know as volunteers we have ideas and opinions but wondered what
>the official word is from bookshare staff on what the preferred way to
>handle all of this would be.
>
> This is not addressed in the manual and I hope that the hours we
>spend on books protects the text of the books.
>
>
> Yes, I know its been dealt with here in the past few weeks in long
>conversations.
> But I have seen only volunteers express opinions but no word from
>the staff on how the stripper works and the page navagation works.
>
> HOping for official word to know how to make our books the highest
>quality.
>
> Laura Ann
>
> At 09:35 PM 3/27/2009, you wrote:
>
>
> So, Mayrie...
>
> If the page numbers are at the bottom of the page and I
>*don't* move
> them to the top of the page (I almost always do), then the
>first line
> after the blank line is deleted? I did not know that.
>
> Bummed Out,
> Marilyn
>
> On Mar 27, 2009, at 9:45 PM, mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Everybody!
>
> I downloaded three books from the bookshare
>collection last night,
> one of them a very new addition to the collection,
>and none of them had any
> chapter headings.
>
> In case anyone doesn't know how to make sure that
>chapter headings
> won't be stripped from your books by the terrific
>(serious sarcasm)
> stripper, here is the page formatting that works.
>
> Page break
> Blank line
> Page number
> Blank line
> Chapter heading
> Blank line
> Text on the page
> Blank line
> Next page break.
>
> I would like to stress that if there isn't a page
>number above the
> chapter heading, the chapter headings will very
>likely not appear in the
> final copy of the book that bookshare patrons
>download from the collection.
>
> I know I'm probably preaching to the choir here,
but
>just in case
> anyone doesn't know about this issue, I thought
I'd
>mention it.
>
> Thanks for hearing me out.
>
> Mayrie
>
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