[bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing chapter headings
- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:33:23 -0700
Hi Reggie,
Page break
Blank line
Page number
Blank line
Chapter heading
Blank line
Text on the page
Blank line
Next page break
Mayrie
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Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:35 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing chapter headings
Mary:
If this older brain is thinking clearly (smiles), I think the manual says
the stripper is supposed to not be stripping chapter headers and such any
longer and that volunteers don't need to "protect" any longer. Am I
incorrect? Oh my goodness, I sure hope I have not been getting books
stripped unnecessarily. From now on I will protect. Can someone go through
the process to "protect" chapter headings again as a refresher, please?
Reggie who cannot trust the stripper now after what has been said
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:35 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing chapter headings
Hi Bob,
You are too funny! I think it has to do with repetitive text and
the lack of page numbers on the pages containing story titles. Though I
don't really know. Well, I know that repeated text will be stripped.
That's a certainty. If all headers except for the story titles or chapter
headings are stripped, and no page numbers are inserted on the pages where
these headings appear,, perhaps the stripper says, "Oh, no page number, but
text. Must be a header. Think I'll eat it." Just a guess. Which is stupid
and just dragging out the thread.
Man! I'm regretting having brought this up at all. And all I wanted was
chapter headings in the books I read! Waaahh!
Mayrie
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Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:20 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing chapter headings
Okay, I'm not trying to drag this thread out, but I really am curious.
Does anyone have a good guess as to why the stripper loves chapter headings
and story titles rather than plain text at the top of the page? It doesn't
strip away the first lines of a page. It doesn't strip away chapter headings
and story titles if they occur anywhere else besides at the top of the page.
But, something about a chapter heading or story title at the top of the page
says to the stripper "ummm, I'm good for eating." Why does it say that? If
you plug in some text above the title (say, a page number or a row of stars)
then the stripper loses its apetite.
Bob (living out his ninth life)
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From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:59 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing chapter headings
> Hi Marilyn and Laura Ann,
>
> There needs to be some text above the chapter heading for the
> stripper to eat. Page numbers make sense to me. They are what I use and
> they work. Leaving just a blank line, Laura Ann, I'm sorry to say is not
> sufficient. I repeat, there has to be some text above the chapter
> heading
> for the stripper to eat. It's hungry and mean! Sue's asterisks work too
> for
> books that have page numbers at the bottom. I just consider it less
> keystrokes to type a page number rather than * * *. What I just typed is
> five keystrokes. At worst, and that would be bad, a page number is going
> to
> be four keystrokes.
>
> If asterisks are used by folks editing at all in Microsoft Word,
> they need to have spaces between them and a carriage after the third. If
> the asterisks are not separated by spaces, or are followed by a space, a
> long line is wht Word thinks it should put there.
>
> I was trying to keep this from getting complicated and becoming a
> run-away thread. I just think that new people need to know about this
> issue, was frustrated with the books that I downloaded, and thought it
> ought
> to be mentioned for the benefit of everyone once in a while.
>
> I'm sorry Sue. I really did just intend to have it be a one-message
> reminder.
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
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> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marilyn Beasley
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:36 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Laura Ann
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing chapter headings
>
> Laura Ann,
>
> Shhh! Be vewwy qwuiet, we're hunting wabbits.
> (Actually, Sue S. didn't want us starting this thread, and now we've gone
> and done it. I shouldn't
> bring Elmer Fudd into it.)
>
> I always do the pages the way Mayrie wrote, and I haven't had a complaint.
> Mayrie has
> download some of the books I've proofread, and she says the chapter
> headings
> are there.
> And I also take Sue's advice and put three asterisks with spaces (* * *)
> above new chapter
> headings, no matter where they are in a book, sometimes they're not at the
> top of the
> page.
>
> I haven't found a fast way to move the page numbers from the bottom of the
> page to the
> top, unfortunately. And I don't understand why the page numbers aren't
> eaten, but I'm a
> believer.
>
> Best of luck,
> Marilyn
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2009, at 11:26 PM, Laura Ann wrote:
>
>
> I don't know....I haven't seen a bookshare staff memeber answer this
> question yet.
> I hope we will get an official word on it sometime soon.
>
> I have also emailed privately trying to make sure I am doing it
> right so we don't loose the first line of text to the stripper.
>
> But I haven't heard anything so not sure.
>
> I do the pattern like Mary suggest of blank line, chapter heading,
> blank line text.
> I insert blank lines at the top of all pages hoping the stripper
> doesn't take part of the book out.
> I on books that have page numbers leave them and on ones that don't
> leave them out.
> I prefer the leaving them out due to how it reads when listening to
> fiction.
> I leave them in on non fiction.
>
> I didn't realize that the stripper could take out the text of the
> book last year though and have tried Sue's ** to protect and thought
> someone had said with the new stripper it doesn't take out the text....
>
> so not sure and not sure either from a bookshare staff on Page
> numbers vs not putting them in.
>
> I know listening its not pleasant to hear the page number read twice
> on the stream or in a program on the computer from the daisy file when
> page
> numbers are left and I have emailed from the bookshare web site and from
> my
> email account asking if the page numbers are necessary for daisy
> navagation
> but never heard back on it.
>
> I would like to know from bookshare staff how the new site and new
> stripper and daisy navagation handles
> page numbers
> text
> chapter headings so they are protected.
> what protacall do they want us as volunteers to follow for daisy
> navagation
>
> I know as volunteers we have ideas and opinions but wondered what
> the official word is from bookshare staff on what the preferred way to
> handle all of this would be.
>
> This is not addressed in the manual and I hope that the hours we
> spend on books protects the text of the books.
>
>
> Yes, I know its been dealt with here in the past few weeks in long
> conversations.
> But I have seen only volunteers express opinions but no word from
> the staff on how the stripper works and the page navagation works.
>
> HOping for official word to know how to make our books the highest
> quality.
>
> Laura Ann
>
> At 09:35 PM 3/27/2009, you wrote:
>
>
> So, Mayrie...
>
> If the page numbers are at the bottom of the page and I
> *don't* move
> them to the top of the page (I almost always do), then the
> first line
> after the blank line is deleted? I did not know that.
>
> Bummed Out,
> Marilyn
>
> On Mar 27, 2009, at 9:45 PM, mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Everybody!
>
> I downloaded three books from the bookshare
> collection last night,
> one of them a very new addition to the collection,
> and none of them had any
> chapter headings.
>
> In case anyone doesn't know how to make sure that
> chapter headings
> won't be stripped from your books by the terrific
> (serious sarcasm)
> stripper, here is the page formatting that works.
>
> Page break
> Blank line
> Page number
> Blank line
> Chapter heading
> Blank line
> Text on the page
> Blank line
> Next page break.
>
> I would like to stress that if there isn't a page
> number above the
> chapter heading, the chapter headings will very
> likely not appear in the
> final copy of the book that bookshare patrons
> download from the collection.
>
> I know I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but
> just in case
> anyone doesn't know about this issue, I thought I'd
> mention it.
>
> Thanks for hearing me out.
>
> Mayrie
>
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