Hi Reggie, If the book does not have page numbers at all, then I wouldn't put them in. However, very often not all of the page numbers in a book scan and need to be inserted. I have seen very very few books that don't have page numbers at all. I think you're fine doing whatever you've been doing. As you know, Bookshare does not require page numbers. Many of us find them helpful so that the page numbering coincides with that of readers reading the print book. Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Reggie & Brooks Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:40 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing chapter headings Mary: Are we allowed to put page numbers in ourselves? I thought that would be a violation of copyright and have never put them in if they were not already there from the scan. (Groaning) My books have been accepted and now I wonder if I have been inadvertently been "stripping" important stuff. Can someone clear up my confusion, please. Thanks. Reggie who is not a new proofreader but feels like it right now -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:59 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing chapter headings Hi Marilyn and Laura Ann, There needs to be some text above the chapter heading for the stripper to eat. Page numbers make sense to me. They are what I use and they work. Leaving just a blank line, Laura Ann, I'm sorry to say is not sufficient. I repeat, there has to be some text above the chapter heading for the stripper to eat. It's hungry and mean! Sue's asterisks work too for books that have page numbers at the bottom. I just consider it less keystrokes to type a page number rather than * * *. What I just typed is five keystrokes. At worst, and that would be bad, a page number is going to be four keystrokes. If asterisks are used by folks editing at all in Microsoft Word, they need to have spaces between them and a carriage after the third. If the asterisks are not separated by spaces, or are followed by a space, a long line is wht Word thinks it should put there. I was trying to keep this from getting complicated and becoming a run-away thread. I just think that new people need to know about this issue, was frustrated with the books that I downloaded, and thought it ought to be mentioned for the benefit of everyone once in a while. I'm sorry Sue. I really did just intend to have it be a one-message reminder. Mayrie Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marilyn Beasley Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:36 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Laura Ann Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing chapter headings Laura Ann, Shhh! Be vewwy qwuiet, we're hunting wabbits. (Actually, Sue S. didn't want us starting this thread, and now we've gone and done it. I shouldn't bring Elmer Fudd into it.) I always do the pages the way Mayrie wrote, and I haven't had a complaint. Mayrie has download some of the books I've proofread, and she says the chapter headings are there. And I also take Sue's advice and put three asterisks with spaces (* * *) above new chapter headings, no matter where they are in a book, sometimes they're not at the top of the page. I haven't found a fast way to move the page numbers from the bottom of the page to the top, unfortunately. And I don't understand why the page numbers aren't eaten, but I'm a believer. Best of luck, Marilyn On Mar 27, 2009, at 11:26 PM, Laura Ann wrote: I don't know....I haven't seen a bookshare staff memeber answer this question yet. I hope we will get an official word on it sometime soon. I have also emailed privately trying to make sure I am doing it right so we don't loose the first line of text to the stripper. But I haven't heard anything so not sure. I do the pattern like Mary suggest of blank line, chapter heading, blank line text. I insert blank lines at the top of all pages hoping the stripper doesn't take part of the book out. I on books that have page numbers leave them and on ones that don't leave them out. I prefer the leaving them out due to how it reads when listening to fiction. I leave them in on non fiction. I didn't realize that the stripper could take out the text of the book last year though and have tried Sue's ** to protect and thought someone had said with the new stripper it doesn't take out the text.... so not sure and not sure either from a bookshare staff on Page numbers vs not putting them in. I know listening its not pleasant to hear the page number read twice on the stream or in a program on the computer from the daisy file when page numbers are left and I have emailed from the bookshare web site and from my email account asking if the page numbers are necessary for daisy navagation but never heard back on it. I would like to know from bookshare staff how the new site and new stripper and daisy navagation handles page numbers text chapter headings so they are protected. what protacall do they want us as volunteers to follow for daisy navagation I know as volunteers we have ideas and opinions but wondered what the official word is from bookshare staff on what the preferred way to handle all of this would be. This is not addressed in the manual and I hope that the hours we spend on books protects the text of the books. Yes, I know its been dealt with here in the past few weeks in long conversations. But I have seen only volunteers express opinions but no word from the staff on how the stripper works and the page navagation works. HOping for official word to know how to make our books the highest quality. Laura Ann At 09:35 PM 3/27/2009, you wrote: So, Mayrie... If the page numbers are at the bottom of the page and I *don't* move them to the top of the page (I almost always do), then the first line after the blank line is deleted? I did not know that. Bummed Out, Marilyn On Mar 27, 2009, at 9:45 PM, mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Hi Everybody! I downloaded three books from the bookshare collection last night, one of them a very new addition to the collection, and none of them had any chapter headings. In case anyone doesn't know how to make sure that chapter headings won't be stripped from your books by the terrific (serious sarcasm) stripper, here is the page formatting that works. Page break Blank line Page number Blank line Chapter heading Blank line Text on the page Blank line Next page break. I would like to stress that if there isn't a page number above the chapter heading, the chapter headings will very likely not appear in the final copy of the book that bookshare patrons download from the collection. I know I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but just in case anyone doesn't know about this issue, I thought I'd mention it. Thanks for hearing me out. Mayrie To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. Marilyn [Sometimes it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.] To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. 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